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ED209



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Louis wrote:

I am going to help you. You are saved. Everyone is saved. Every one of us will be resurrected. No doubt about it.


Resident Evil style I hope.

Louis wrote:
Now if you want to talk about salvation, that's another story. If you want to make it to "heaven" then you need to enter into a covenant with the Lord. That means getting baptized and then living up to the terms of your covenant. In other words you are guaranteed salvation if you just live up to your terms of the covenant.

Salvation is a promise. It's not some hocus pocus.


I'm glad you're not dumb enough to believe in magic.

Louis wrote:


The Holy Spirit substantiates the Book of Mormon. It is my personal prayers that led me to know that the Book of Mormon is true. I had a very personal experience that makes me know that the Book of Mormon is true.


Xmen substantiates Spider-Man. The Hobbit substantiates the Lord of the Rings. Two myths don't make a truth.

And who needs evidence when you have had a personal experience, unlike anyone else from any of the thousands of religions out there.

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
Christians believe that the Bible is the only word of God. Mormons also believe that the book of Mormon is the word of God. That right there puts them outside of mainstream Christianity


Louis wrote:
Yeah, I'll bet they said the same things about Elijah and many other prophets. Ah, can't believe you, I got this old collection of books and I don't believe anyone else. Heavenly Father has sent us prophets throughout the ages...and all of a sudden He stopped? Yeah right. God's Message hasn't changed and it's been the same since the beginning of time. God has brought us many prophets to deliver the message throughout the ages and He continues to give us prophets even to this day.


Never understood this. Why does God need prophets? He's God, why the middle man wandering out the mountains? He's God!! Don't be shy, you can do anything, just text me.

Louis wrote:
CentralCali wrote:
The word you're looking for is Trinity. We LDS are non-trinitarian in that we don't consider the members of the Godhood (God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost) to be one individual.


Actually not quite true. We believe in the Trinity, but not the Trinity that many other Christian believe in. We believe in the Trinity as a Godhead consisting of three distinct entities, the Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost. We believe they are distinct, instead of just one. We believe that Jesus did not get on the Cross and start talking to Himself like other Christian religions do.


How is this different to CentralCali's belief?

Louis wrote:
About Mormons Becoming Gods: The word god is life without end, ie everlasting life. I guess we could call it immortal. By that definition, every Christian believes that they can become a god. Of course there is more to it. If we are all children of God, then what will we become?

About being equal with Christ: Christ did say that all those who do the Will of Heavenly Father are his brothers and sisters.


Yeah, that really pissed of his mother.
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IncognitoHFX



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Louis wrote:
some waygug-in wrote:
All I'm saying is that I deserve to go to hell as much as anyone. If and when I am ever saved it will be because God decided to have mercy on me despite my failings.

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I am going to help you. You are saved. Everyone is saved. Every one of us will be resurrected. No doubt about it.

Now if you want to talk about salvation, that's another story. If you want to make it to "heaven" then you need to enter into a covenant with the Lord. That means getting baptized and then living up to the terms of your covenant. In other words you are guaranteed salvation if you just live up to your terms of the covenant.

Salvation is a promise. It's not some hocus pocus.

bellum99 wrote:
...but nothing substantuates what the book of mormon teaches.

PS: You will never believe in God without first having a personal experience.


The Holy Spirit substantiates the Book of Mormon. It is my personal prayers that led me to know that the Book of Mormon is true. I had a very personal experience that makes me know that the Book of Mormon is true.

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
Christians believe that the Bible is the only word of God. Mormons also believe that the book of Mormon is the word of God. That right there puts them outside of mainstream Christianity


Yeah, I'll bet they said the same things about Elijah and many other prophets. Ah, can't believe you, I got this old collection of books and I don't believe anyone else. Heavenly Father has sent us prophets throughout the ages...and all of a sudden He stopped? Yeah right. God's Message hasn't changed and it's been the same since the beginning of time. God has brought us many prophets to deliver the message throughout the ages and He continues to give us prophets even to this day.

CentralCali wrote:
The word you're looking for is Trinity. We LDS are non-trinitarian in that we don't consider the members of the Godhood (God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost) to be one individual.


Actually not quite true. We believe in the Trinity, but not the Trinity that many other Christian believe in. We believe in the Trinity as a Godhead consisting of three distinct entities, the Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost. We believe they are distinct, instead of just one. We believe that Jesus did not get on the Cross and start talking to Himself like other Christian religions do.

About Mormons Becoming Gods: The word god is life without end, ie everlasting life. I guess we could call it immortal. By that definition, every Christian believes that they can become a god. Of course there is more to it. If we are all children of God, then what will we become?

About being equal with Christ: Christ did say that all those who do the Will of Heavenly Father are his brothers and sisters.


So... Lucas...

This is what crazy people say. Do you actually know you're crazy?

Do crazy people actually know they're crazy? I mean, in writing this gibberish did it actually occur to you that "hey, I might just be a crazy person!"?

This is why religion bothers me.
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tomato



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Louis, why has God even told us about Heaven and Hell?
I thought that a true Christian lives lives a conscientious life out of genuine love for God and mankind.
If that is true, then he or she would not even need Heaven and Hell as motivators.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tomato wrote:
Louis, why has God even told us about Heaven and Hell?
I thought that a true Christian lives lives a conscientious life out of genuine love for God and mankind.
If that is true, then he or she would not even need Heaven and Hell as motivators.


That's like saying "lets make sure every relationship doesn't include any pleasure." You should be able to love each other without benefits.

Tomato your moniker should be meatball. Razz
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RACETRAITOR



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Louis wrote:
I am going to help you. You are saved. Everyone is saved. Every one of us will be resurrected. No doubt about it.

Now if you want to talk about salvation, that's another story. If you want to make it to "heaven" then you need to enter into a covenant with the Lord. That means getting baptized and then living up to the terms of your covenant. In other words you are guaranteed salvation if you just live up to your terms of the covenant.

Salvation is a promise. It's not some hocus pocus.


Dearest One Good day to you.

Permit me to inform you of my desire of going into business relationship with you.

I'm Faith Gaba 22 years of age the only daughter of late Mr and Mrs Ahmed Gaba. My Mother died when I was a baby and since then my father took me so special because I am only one daughter my Mother have. my Father was a very wealth Gold and cocoa merchant here in Abidjan. my Father was killed during the civil war here in Abidjan economic capital of Ivory Coast. Before the death of my late Father on 20th Feb 2006 in a private hospital here in Abidjan he called me on his bedside and told me that he has a sum of (USD$3 million dollars )

I am honourably seeking your assistance in the following ways. and i contacted you with good faith beleive me the whole documents conerning this transaction is with me. please my dear i am of real i really need your assistance for my life, and i promise that you will never regret to assisting me in life and i do promise that i will not let you down, He also warned me not to associate with any of his friends down here or members of the family for my own safety.I want you to know that he gave me the Certificate of Deposit of the funds, and i am here with the help of one Pastor his Name Pastor Johnson Alain. so try your best to help me.

(1) To provide a bank account into which this money would be transferred to as soon the fund moved from the bank.
(2) To serve as a guardian of this fund since I am only 22 years old.
(3) To make arrangement for me to come over to your country to further my education and to secure a resident permit in your country.

Thanks and God bless you.
Best Regards.

Miss Faith Gaba
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tomato



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Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is a response which I just sent to Yahoo Answers.
I don't know why I never thought of posting it here:

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I once sponsored a child through the Christian Children's Fund.
Then later, I went overseas and worked for the Christian Children's Fund.
In that case, the child and the family received about half the money.

But the sponsor assumes that the recipient receives all the money he or she sends, and the recipient assumes that the sponsor sends only the money which he or she receives.

And here I thought Christians were such honest people!
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ED209



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fiveeagles wrote:

Tomato your moniker should be meatball. Razz


With spaghetti Wink

What's yours? God's bukkake?
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tomato



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could someone please explain Five Eagles' message to me?
Or Five Eagles, could you please explain it in different words?
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ED209



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tomato wrote:
Here is a response which I just sent to Yahoo Answers.
I don't know why I never thought of posting it here:

Quote:
I once sponsored a child through the Christian Children's Fund.
Then later, I went overseas and worked for the Christian Children's Fund.
In that case, the child and the family received about half the money.

But the sponsor assumes that the recipient receives all the money he or she sends, and the recipient assumes that the sponsor sends only the money which he or she receives.

And here I thought Christians were such honest people!


The rest of that money is safely locked away in an Icelandic bank account.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/10/wheres_charlton_heston_when_yo.php

Christians praying to a golden calf. Geez. Read your bible much, goddies?

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/23/motocross-madam-crash-lands-in-prison/

Christian woman turns illegal aliens into sex slaves and donates profits to the church.
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Medic



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are or were some quite upstanding mormoms. Bundy the serial killer was actually baptized into the mormon faith while he was living with a mormon girl. He probably was immersed and recieved the Holy Ghost in between one of his killing sprees.

The other one that comes to mind is Sonia Johnson. I read her first book which was quite outstanding. Can't remember the name. She got excommunicated for an opinion I think. Anyway she wanted to express her genuine feelings for what in her heart she felt the good side of morminism was, in a church meeting, but was filibustered by a member in the congregation. Powers that were didn't want the world to see that they could have been wrong in throwing her out of the church.
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CentralCali



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow. 2 people out of 13,000,000. What a scandalous group!

And none of this has anything to do with the people involved with the case at the beginning of this thread. Those people aren't Mormons (Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints). They're a different denomination!
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Ivor



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 12:24 pm    Post subject: ? Reply with quote

How many types of churches do you have?? Shocked
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tomato



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello, Ivor!

Most communities have at least one church for every major denomination.
Every community I've lived in has had a Methodist church and a Presbyterian church. I have not seen any places of worship for the Quakers or Unitarians.

The Mormons are active in most parts of Korea, and the Jehovah's Witnesses are active where I live. CentralCali is a Mormon, which is why he is sticking up for the Mormons. I have not seen any sign of the Baha'i Faith.

Hindu groups do not seem to be popular here. Rteacher is the only foreign teacher I know of who is isolated from his religious group. He belongs to the Hare Krishna group.

This is a marked contrast to my experience in South America, where I often met religious zealots on the street, both latino and gringo, who were eager to welcome me to their throng.

On the whole, Korea is less religious than most other countries. Since they are less receptive to Eastern religion, that could explain why they are less receptive to Western religion.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Christian Children's Fund turns down $17'000 because the money was partly raised through selling Dungeons and Dragons stuff:

http://www.giantitp.com/index.html

Apparently Gygax himself often made donations to the fund and now they've chosen to spurn his memory.
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