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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| Frankly Mr Shankly wrote: |
| tit for tat, I say. My son was born here of non-Korean parents and was not entitled to citizenship as he would have been in either of the two countries of which I am a citizen and had foreign parents. As such, Koreans children born abroad should have jus sanguis applied to their cases as is the case here. |
You're saying the USA should amend the constitution to exclude Koreans born on US soil? |
I think whether you're from Mexico, Jordan, France, or Korea you should be on U.S. soil for a period of time to qualify for citizenship. Basically, if you're born there, and you stayed there for at least 6 months then you should qualify. That would be too expensive for some folks, and it would focus on having actual ties to the U.S. rather than just being born there and then leaving after 2 weeks. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:35 am Post subject: |
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| Adventurer wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
| Frankly Mr Shankly wrote: |
| tit for tat, I say. My son was born here of non-Korean parents and was not entitled to citizenship as he would have been in either of the two countries of which I am a citizen and had foreign parents. As such, Koreans children born abroad should have jus sanguis applied to their cases as is the case here. |
You're saying the USA should amend the constitution to exclude Koreans born on US soil? |
I think whether you're from Mexico, Jordan, France, or Korea you should be on U.S. soil for a period of time to qualify for citizenship. Basically, if you're born there, and you stayed there for at least 6 months then you should qualify. That would be too expensive for some folks, and it would focus on having actual ties to the U.S. rather than just being born there and then leaving after 2 weeks. |
So you're still saying you should change the 14th amendment?
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." |
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Typhoon
Joined: 29 May 2007
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:42 am Post subject: |
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| The founding fathers of the USA created the constitution as a document that would be able to change with the values of socitey. They recognized that the issues in the late 1700s would not be the same as year the 2010. So change can be a good thing. By the way, this is a good argument for control too. The consitution needs to change in order to keep up with the values of society. If it doesn't then it becomes a useless document that is out of touch with America and its purpose becomes lost. This is actually stated in the preamble of the consitution that Americans love so much, but it is often forgotten. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 7:20 am Post subject: |
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| Typhoon wrote: |
| The founding fathers of the USA created the constitution as a document that would be able to change with the values of socitey. They recognized that the issues in the late 1700s would not be the same as year the 2010. So change can be a good thing. By the way, this is a good argument for control too. The consitution needs to change in order to keep up with the values of society. If it doesn't then it becomes a useless document that is out of touch with America and its purpose becomes lost. This is actually stated in the preamble of the consitution that Americans love so much, but it is often forgotten. |
Indeed. But to achieve the goal stated by the above, it might possibly involve a lot more than a simple act of congress. Although technically there's never been a good court challenge of this issue. Would a Korean (Mexican, Canadian, etc.) baby born on US soil by vacationers or even people with the Koreans' intent enjoy automatic citizenship? |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:05 am Post subject: |
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Some people are making a mountain out of an anthill.
OH MY GOD!! THERE WILL BE 747's FILLED WITH PREGNANT KOREAN WOMEN TRYING TO GIVE BIRTH TO THEIR BABIES ON US SOIL FOR THE US CITIZENSHIP!!!!
Get off your high horse. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:59 am Post subject: |
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Many years ago, it was a great idea to get into the US to have the child born on US soil. That's because the parent could submit an application for immigration with the child as the sponsor, signing for the child. That is no longer, and has not been for quite some time now, the case. IIRC, a minor cannot serve as a sponsor now for immigration. Anyway, the sponsor must prove to the US government that they can support the prospective immigrant.
Then there's the issue of taxation. US citizens are liable to tax on their worldwide income. Once the child grows up and wishes to return to the US, how is that going to work? I see a large tax liability.
Then, of course, is the issue another poster mentioned upthread, that of military service in South Korea. The law here was changed fairly recently to require males to perform their military service before they can renounce Korean citizenship. At the moment, the universal conscription isn't all that universal (females are not subject to the draft, just as multi-cultural citzens {children of international marriages} are not); however, there is no guarantee that law will not be changed by the time children born this year reach the age of majority.
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
Some people are making a mountain out of an anthill.
OH MY GOD!! THERE WILL BE 747's FILLED WITH PREGNANT KOREAN WOMEN TRYING TO GIVE BIRTH TO THEIR BABIES ON US SOIL FOR THE US CITIZENSHIP!!!!
Get off your high horse. |
'Fess up -- you were one of those anchor babies. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| More "citizens" who will qualify for government money for education, medical services, social security, etc... without ever ONCE paying a cent of taxes into the system. Yeah, there's definitely a COST to the USA. |
Could you supply evidence that non residents (even if they are citizens) can receive any of those benefits? Koreans are having babies so one day their 65 year old son can move to the USA and apply for a very small bit of welfare?
It seems to me parents who do this are of some means and will educate their American born children. I'm not sure how Korean parents spending money to education future MBAs, engineers, scientists, doctors, nurses, etc for the USA is a bad thing. |
Wylies99? Evidence? |
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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
So you're still saying you should change the 14th amendment?
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." |
I think it's a good idea. |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 1:07 am Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
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| More "citizens" who will qualify for government money for education, medical services, social security, etc... without ever ONCE paying a cent of taxes into the system. Yeah, there's definitely a COST to the USA. |
Could you supply evidence that non residents (even if they are citizens) can receive any of those benefits? Koreans are having babies so one day their 65 year old son can move to the USA and apply for a very small bit of welfare?
It seems to me parents who do this are of some means and will educate their American born children. I'm not sure how Korean parents spending money to education future MBAs, engineers, scientists, doctors, nurses, etc for the USA is a bad thing. |
Wylies99? Evidence? |
You NEED a link to prove that people who are American citizens will use public services in the USA? Um, how about logic? |
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Donald Frost
Joined: 20 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 2:39 am Post subject: Re: Follow-up |
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Here is a follow-up article.
Go to http://www.guampdn.com/article/20081030/NEWS01/810300307 or see below.
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Korean baby Web site goes down
October 30, 2008
By Bryan C. Sualog
Pacific Daily News
One of the two Korean-language Web sites encouraging pregnant South Korean women to deliver their baby in Guam is no longer working.
The site, www.americanbaby.co.kr, went down yesterday morning and as of 6 last night still wasn't working.
The site, along with www.guambaby.com, advertised services that would have expectant mothers from South Korea come to Guam to have their babies so that the newborns would be given U.S. citizenship.
Photos of facilities available on Guam, including housing accommodations, the Guam Memorial Hospital and clinics, were available on www.americanbaby.co.kr. It also had photos posted of the facilities and staff at Sagua Ma�agu and FHP.
Sagua Ma�agu General Manager Lina Leon Guerrero said the birthing center didn't authorize the use of the photos of its facilities and staff.
Gus Sablan, TakeCare senior vice president of business development and marketing, said he wasn't aware the Web sites were using photos of FHP, but wouldn't comment any further.
A step-by-step process was laid out on www.americanbaby.co.kr:
Step 1: Get prenatal care in South Korea;
s Step 2: Give birth at Guam Memorial Hospital;
Step 3: Get a passport and Social Security number in Guam within a week after birth; and
s Step 4: Go back to Korea in two to three weeks.
Obstetrician and gynecologist Dr. Thomas Shieh said he was approached on two separate occasions by tour agents about bringing in the pregnant women. Shieh was contacted about four years ago and then again this past summer about contracting to deliver babies for Korean citizens.
He said he turned down the offers both times because he questioned the ethics and legality of what he was approached to do.
Shieh also said the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement office told him it was aware of the issue and was investigating it.
Jane Flores, the hospital's acting chief financial officer, said she was contacted by a representative of www.guambaby.com. Flores said expectant mothers must pre-register at the hospital and pay a $2,000 deposit in the event they have a difficult birth. The representative tried to make arrangements for an exception to the fee.
Mae Blas, public information officer for the U.S. Attorney's Office, yesterday said her office couldn't comment yesterday, but that it would get back to the Pacific Daily News.
Source: Pacific Daily News; October 30, 2008; http://www.guampdn.com/article/20081030/NEWS01/810300307 |
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It's still down.
Thanks for the tip!
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Donald Frost
Joined: 20 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 2:44 am Post subject: |
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You know, I used to work for a small-to-medium sized I.T. firm in the Hshinju City Industrial Park back in 2005. The Head Shmo used to tell me about his bro' who was a doctor on Guam. Hmmmm..... what are the chances...?
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Jeff's Cigarettes
Joined: 27 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 2:48 am Post subject: |
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| Something ought to be done to change this loophole. When people are unfairly taking advantage of it It needs to be made so that they can't. |
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little mixed girl
Joined: 11 Jun 2003
Location: shin hyesung's bed~
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| Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 7:30 am Post subject: |
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quite honestly, as an american, i don't care if koreans or canadians decide to have a kid in the US.
so, they have US citizenship. the US (from what i know) doesn't do dual citizenship, so the kid will have to give up either their korean or US citizenship when they turn 18 or 21.
the only way i see US citizenship benefitting someone's kid is if they plan on sending that kid to live in the US or go to university in the US.
and even in the university case, if they can't prove residence in the state they want to attend university in, then they'll have to pay out of state tuition.
and since they probably would have been educated in a korean school in korean, they'd have to still take toefl or something to prove that they can speak english.
god, 70 year olds who have never spent a day in the US don't just get up and move to the US to collect welfare... |
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victorology
Joined: 10 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 7:34 am Post subject: |
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| little mixed girl wrote: |
quite honestly, as an american, i don't care if koreans or canadians decide to have a kid in the US.
so, they have US citizenship. the US (from what i know) doesn't do dual citizenship, so the kid will have to give up either their korean or US citizenship when they turn 18 or 21.
the only way i see US citizenship benefitting someone's kid is if they plan on sending that kid to live in the US or go to university in the US.
and even in the university case, if they can't prove residence in the state they want to attend university in, then they'll have to pay out of state tuition.
and since they probably would have been educated in a korean school in korean, they'd have to still take toefl or something to prove that they can speak english.
god, 70 year olds who have never spent a day in the US don't just get up and move to the US to collect welfare... |
One big benefit for Korean boys with U.S. citizenship is they won't have to serve in the military.
Like you, I don't see many 70 year olds moving to the U.S. to collect elderly benefits. |
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