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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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175 hits. 5 votes.
Way to hit it out of the park, Joo.
Were you bored? |
I didn't know that this board was about being popular.
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 8:33 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
9/11 Commission Finds Ties Between al-Qaeda and Iran
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| Senior U.S. officials have told TIME that the 9/11 Commission's report will cite evidence suggesting that the 9/11 hijackers had previously passed through Iran |
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,664967,00.html
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 you are citing the 9/11 commission as research backing that claim?
i thought this thread below you Joo, but instead i'm re-evaluating your level of quackery
(exiting this thread for good) |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 8:37 am Post subject: |
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Both AQ and Iran demand that :
The US not have trade and diplomatic ties with counties they don't approve of, and that the US not vote at UN is ways they don't approve of.
And they seek to power project in order to use oil as a weapon to force the US to do the above. |
Cuban Liberty and Democratic Solidarity Act of 1996
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This law includes a wide variety of provisions intended to bring about "a peaceful transition to a representative democracy and market economy in Cuba":
International Sanctions against the Cuban Government. Economic embargo, any non-US company that deals economically with Cuba can be subjected to legal action and that company's leadership can be barred from entry into the United States. Sanctions may be applied to non-U.S. companies trading with Cuba. This means that internationally operating companies have to choose between Cuba and the US, which is a much larger market.
United States opposition against Cuban membership in International Financial Institutions.
Television broadcasting from the United States to Cuba.
Authorization of United States support for "democratic and human rights groups" and international observers.
Declares United States policy towards a "transition government" and a "democratically elected government" in Cuba.
Protection of property rights of certain United States nationals.
Exclusion of certain aliens from the United States, primarily senior officials or major stock holders, and their families, of companies that do business in Cuba on property expropriated from American citizens. To date, executives from Italy, Mexico, Canada, Israel, and the United Kingdom have been barred.
Provides power to the Legislative Branch to override an Executive Branch cancellation of the embargo.
Prohibits recognition of a transitional government in Cuba that includes Fidel or Ra�l Castro
Prohibits recognition of a Cuban government that has not provided compensation for U.S. certified claims against confiscated property, defined as non-residential property with an excess of $50,000 value in 1959. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 8:37 am Post subject: |
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| VanIslander wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
9/11 Commission Finds Ties Between al-Qaeda and Iran
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| Senior U.S. officials have told TIME that the 9/11 Commission's report will cite evidence suggesting that the 9/11 hijackers had previously passed through Iran |
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,664967,00.html
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you are citing the 9/11 commission as research backing that claim?
i thought this thread below you Joo, but instead i'm re-evaluating your level of quackery
(exiting this thread for good) |
I put up more than one.
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Iran A Safe Haven For Al Qaeda?
Saudi Attacks Believed Planned By Al Qaeda Operatives In Iran
May 16, 2003 |
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/05/18/world/main554415.shtml |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 8:49 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
Both AQ and Iran demand that :
The US not have trade and diplomatic ties with counties they don't approve of, and that the US not vote at UN is ways they don't approve of.
And they seek to power project in order to use oil as a weapon to force the US to do the above. |
Cuban Liberty and Democratic Solidarity Act of 1996
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This law includes a wide variety of provisions intended to bring about "a peaceful transition to a representative democracy and market economy in Cuba":
International Sanctions against the Cuban Government. Economic embargo, any non-US company that deals economically with Cuba can be subjected to legal action and that company's leadership can be barred from entry into the United States. Sanctions may be applied to non-U.S. companies trading with Cuba. This means that internationally operating companies have to choose between Cuba and the US, which is a much larger market.
United States opposition against Cuban membership in International Financial Institutions.
Television broadcasting from the United States to Cuba.
Authorization of United States support for "democratic and human rights groups" and international observers.
Declares United States policy towards a "transition government" and a "democratically elected government" in Cuba.
Protection of property rights of certain United States nationals.
Exclusion of certain aliens from the United States, primarily senior officials or major stock holders, and their families, of companies that do business in Cuba on property expropriated from American citizens. To date, executives from Italy, Mexico, Canada, Israel, and the United Kingdom have been barred.
Provides power to the Legislative Branch to override an Executive Branch cancellation of the embargo.
Prohibits recognition of a transitional government in Cuba that includes Fidel or Ra�l Castro
Prohibits recognition of a Cuban government that has not provided compensation for U.S. certified claims against confiscated property, defined as non-residential property with an excess of $50,000 value in 1959. |
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is it good for the US to be vunerable in that way? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 8:51 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
Both AQ and Iran demand that :
The US not have trade and diplomatic ties with counties they don't approve of, and that the US not vote at UN is ways they don't approve of.
And they seek to power project in order to use oil as a weapon to force the US to do the above. |
Cuban Liberty and Democratic Solidarity Act of 1996
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This law includes a wide variety of provisions intended to bring about "a peaceful transition to a representative democracy and market economy in Cuba":
International Sanctions against the Cuban Government. Economic embargo, any non-US company that deals economically with Cuba can be subjected to legal action and that company's leadership can be barred from entry into the United States. Sanctions may be applied to non-U.S. companies trading with Cuba. This means that internationally operating companies have to choose between Cuba and the US, which is a much larger market.
United States opposition against Cuban membership in International Financial Institutions.
Television broadcasting from the United States to Cuba.
Authorization of United States support for "democratic and human rights groups" and international observers.
Declares United States policy towards a "transition government" and a "democratically elected government" in Cuba.
Protection of property rights of certain United States nationals.
Exclusion of certain aliens from the United States, primarily senior officials or major stock holders, and their families, of companies that do business in Cuba on property expropriated from American citizens. To date, executives from Italy, Mexico, Canada, Israel, and the United Kingdom have been barred.
Provides power to the Legislative Branch to override an Executive Branch cancellation of the embargo.
Prohibits recognition of a transitional government in Cuba that includes Fidel or Ra�l Castro
Prohibits recognition of a Cuban government that has not provided compensation for U.S. certified claims against confiscated property, defined as non-residential property with an excess of $50,000 value in 1959. |
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is it good for the US to be vunerable in that way? |
The US is not vulnerable. They can frame their constraint within a diplomatic process involving the EU-3. The only vulnerability the US has vis-a-vis Iran is oil & troops in Iraq.
What the US should do now is stand back and let Sarkozy handle negotiations. Sarko is very, very concerned about Iran.
As for Al Qaeda, well, that involves Pakistan. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 9:01 am Post subject: |
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The US is most certainly vunerable when it comes to oil. I hope everyone saw the Robert Baer article. If Iran gets nuclear weapons Iran will be a lot tougher. I already talked about ways the US could deal with Iran. Understanding the situation will allow the US the best chance to regain the edge.
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=137693
The US is going to need certain stuff and certain policies here. Right now the US doesn't have what it takes to really deal with the situation.
I am sure the leader of France is concerned about Iran. However the France public may not be. France used to be governed by Chirac . Chirac resented the US like hell and a lot of people in France do too.
I hope everyone remembers that this is the way it was before Bush was president.
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To Paris, U.S. Looks Like a 'Hyperpower'
Published: FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 5, 1999
PARIS: Foreign Minister Hubert Vedrine says that he now defines the United States as a "hyperpower," a new term that he thinks best describes "a country that is dominant or predominant in all categories."
"Superpower," in his view, was a Cold War word that reflected military capabilities of both the Soviet Union and the United States. But now, the breadth of American strength is unique, extending beyond economics, technology or military might to "this domination of attitudes, concepts, language and modes of life."
In a speech on Monday before the Association France-Ameriques, a group promoting friendship between France and the Americas, Mr. Vedrine said that in other times, great dynasties were almost always counterbalanced by other powers.
"Today, that's not the case, and therefore there is this question at the center of the world's current problems," he said.
The remarks were in line with recent attempts by President Jacques Chirac, Prime Minister Lionel Jospin and Mr. Vedrine to draw attention to what France now calls American unilateralism, and to attract other countries to the idea of counteracting it through French-led multilateral initiatives. |
http://www.iht.com/articles/1999/02/05/france.t_0.php
EU countires have never been tough on Iran they even let Iran get away with assassinations and did nothing but recall diplomats for a few months.
Does the US have the right stuff for dealing with an nuclear Iran? No it does not and if the US doesn't have it then the US is going to pay a big price or be in a terrible situation.
The Democrats don't have a good answer for when Iran says no to diplomacy . *
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Iran will not go for a grand bargin.
http://www.realclearworld.com/blog/2008/10/iran_new_america_foundation.html
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 9:16 am Post subject: |
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I think everyone would like to see these demands printed out on official Al Qaeda/Iranian Republic Letterhead with the date that the demands were approved by the AQ/IR Central Committee and the signatures of the Supreme Mugwumps of said organization.
This would have to be issued in both Arabic and Farsi, of course, and we'd need to see an official English translation as well.
Please Joo, can you print this document for us?
Just download it from the Joo:imaginary Boogieman.file. |
I want to see the Declaration of War signed by the Baathists, Al Qaedists that Joo so much wants them to give up. And the newspaper headline from that day. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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"Believed planned?" That's like "we think they thought" about it. 
That is a real solid connection. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 9:29 am Post subject: |
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"Believed planned?" That's like "we think they thought" about it.
That is a real solid connection. |
http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/profiles/saif_al-adel.htm
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There is, in parallel, a civil war of low intensity going on between the royal regime and the Wahhabi religious establishment. Although the figures directly involved in this war against the royal regime only include low-ranking Wahhabi religious men and Osama Bin Laden's Al Qaeda cell members, it is clear that the latter represent the religious establishment as a whole. This war was sparked off in May 2003 with suicide bombings in Riyadh which killed 35 people including Americans. Since then street battles between security forces and Wahhabi militants have been frequent and spread in various parts of Saudi Arabia.
Iran has extradited to Saudi Arabia a big number of Al Qaeda men. During an Islamic summit conference in Malaysia on Oct. 17, Iranian President Mohammed Khatami said Tehran had deported many Al Qaeda suspects more recently but will not extradite any to the Us despite Washington requests to do so. It was alleged that the May suicide bombings in Riyadh had been planned by Al Qaeda in Iran, where Bin Laden's son Saad was said to be among Al Qaeda fugitives detained |
http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/summary_0199-3395090_ITM |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 10:25 am Post subject: |
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| This sounds a lot like the US foreign policy toward N Korea, and Cuba ... and I didn't know that Al Queda had a seat at the UN. Thanks for delivering that news, old friend. |
It goes with what AQ wants and what they blame the US for. |
Don't just say it. Show it. Where is your evidence that Al Queda wants a seat at the table in the UN?
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| Can you think of an example of a particular instance when either Al Queda or Iran used oil as a weapon in this way? |
If they got the oil you think they wouldn't? |
See above. Has it ever happened? Is there a document to back up your claim of what their aims are?
Aren't we back to the old justification for taking down Iraq, which was "They would do it to us if they could." Leaves out the part about "They can't, so they won't."
Oh, and by the way, many forms of cancer are so well treatable that people can live normal lives. Alternative energy can do the same for our addiction to oil. The trick is that first we need to want to be cured of it. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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| It goes with what AQ wants and what they blame the US for. |
Don't just say it. Show it. Where is your evidence that Al Queda wants a seat at the table in the UN? |
I never said AQ wants a UN seat but you don't think they get angry about UN votes by the US?
Al Qaeda always complains the US "supports.." now what do you mean by "supports"?
Anyway Bob since since you decided to particpate . Why don't you tell us what you think Al Qaeda wants , what Iran wants , what concessions the US ought to make, and what the US ought to do.
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| See above. Has it ever happened? Is there a document to back up your claim of what their aims are? |
Again you don't think they would use oil that way?
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| Aren't we back to the old justification for taking down Iraq, which was "They would do it to us if they could." Leaves out the part about "They can't, so they won't." |
Well see what Robert Baer says.
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| Well, they would again prefer proxies and blackmail. The fact that Iran can take control of the Gulf�s oil resources ostensibly puts them in charge of the world�s economy. You might argue that the American military will be there to prevent this, but that�s provided we stay. But you need the military to do this. Do we want to put a million troops in the region to contain Iran and police the Middle East? And engaging the Iranians would be difficult, because any action we undertake could result in a form of proxy retaliation. One of these measures could be shutting down the world�s oil supply. We�re up against a regime with advanced capabilities in guerilla warfare, an extensive network of blackmail and an unassailable message: �We are being colonized!� |
http://www.realclearworld.com/articles/2008/10/interview_with_robert_baer.html
Each situation is different. And requires a different way of dealing with it.
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| Oh, and by the way, many forms of cancer are so well treatable that people can live normal lives. Alternative energy can do the same for our addiction to oil. The trick is that first we need to want to be cured of it. |
I support Alternative energy as much as anyone on this board. But the fact is that the US doesn't have it. . As long as the US doesn't have it the US is vunerable. Very much so. Let me know when the situation is different. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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Anyway Bob since since you decided to particpate . |
Naw, I'm not participating. I said the poll was lame and I said why. You haven't even explained why this is a current event. I got stuff to do. Have fun. |
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cheeseface
Joined: 13 Jan 2008
Location: Ssyangnyeon Shi
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Iran and Al-Qaeda are from different end of the Muslim spectrum.
As far as I know Al-Qaeda's main demand is that US troops leave all Muslim countries. I don't see any problem with that. |
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