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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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I love being right. |
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asylum seeker
Joined: 22 Jul 2007
Location: On your computer screen.
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So does this mean that political expert "Joe the Plumber" got Obama all wrong?
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Joe Wurzelbacher, a.k.a. "Joe the Plumber," on Tuesday twice agreed with a claim from an audience member at a John McCain rally that "a vote for Barack Obama is a vote for the death to Israel."
Wurzelbacher was hitting the campaign trail on behalf of McCain for the first time, joining former Rep. Rob Portman on a GOP bus tour through Ohio.
At a stop in Columbus, he fielded the question on Israel from a self-identified Jewish senior citizen.
The questioner said he was "concerned" with Barack Obama's associations and "It's my belief that a vote for Obama is a vote for the death to Israel."
Wurzelbacher responded: "I do know that."
The questioner then complained about Obama's tax policies and reiterated his Israel comment.
"Well, you know what, I'll actually go ahead and agree with you on that one," Wurzelbacher said. "You know ... no, I agree with ya.'" |
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/28/joe-plumber-backs-claim-obama-bring-death-israel/
Surely not.
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:29 am Post subject: |
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That is just campaign talk; indeed, I suspect Joe the Plumber was somebody's sham from the start. But "campaign talk" is also the point: many of you have religiously chanted "yes, we can!" for the last few months and raised your expectations so high that no matter what B. Obama does now you will feel bitterly betrayed.
He is not the Messiah. But it looks very much like he is going to form one hell of an inclusive government. I think I underestimated this about him. If this continues unfolding as it looks today, the Republicans will have no chance no matter who they field in 2012. He might even simply and brilliantly coopt the better part of the Party.
...Still awaiting R. Emanuel's response. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:13 am Post subject: |
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Excellent news...
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U.S. Rep. Rahm Emanuel will bring a "tough-minded" and "pragmatic" approach to the White House when he becomes President-Elect Barack Obama's chief of staff, according to people who know the Chicago, Illinois, native.
A Democratic aide told CNN that Emanuel, a former member of the Clinton administration, had accepted the position Thursday... |
CNN Reports |
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Kikomom
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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This is excellent. These dudes from Chicago rock and know darn well what they're doing in politics. The more I read, see, hear, the more I know that Rahm is an excellent choice. If anyone has the stamina to do this, it's Rahm.
And the fact that he's jewish, being O's righthand should put to rest all the 'Obama's a muslim' crap, eh? Or you could argue that if they can work together... Why the hell can't the rest of the world?
Anyhow, I found some cool stuff about him, and blogged about it. His brother, Ari, is a talent agent in Los Angeles who inspired Jeremy Piven's character Ari Gold on the HBO series Entourage. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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| And the fact that he's jewish, being O's righthand should put to rest all the 'Obama's a muslim' crap, eh? |
Relax. The campaign has ended and B. Obama won, remember?
But I think your thinking moves in the right direction: with counselors such as R. Emanuel surrounding the President, who can criticize him if he talks with Tehran...? |
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Kikomom
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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Gopher, the haters are still out there. I'll just take a deep breath for now.
I might be the most uneducated political junkie here, but methinks we're seeing the makings of the Political Dream Team. Can someone come up for a better name for it? It is a new age.
His role in NAFTA will be used against him. But it's not his job now--setting policy. But he'll be there to see that what went wrong gets fixed. One of O's campaign promises. Fix what doesn't work, or get rid of it. I like someone who can go back and be a part of the solution. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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The guy is a LOYALIST. If you are going to surround yourself with certain people, he certainly has some great characteristics to compliment Obama and achieve whatever vision Obama might have.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081107/ap_on_el_pr/obama
Some things said about Emanuel:
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With the selection, Democrats say Obama seemed to recognize he may have his work cut out for him in taming the House: Liberals may try to push their own agenda, not necessarily Obama's. They say Emanuel is someone who not only can stand up to Congress but also maneuver through it to achieve a chief executive's goals.
And, Emanuel provides something Obama lacks � a temperament and willingness to snarl, even at his boss' allies.
To varying degrees, the party's liberals and labor leaders are wary of Emanuel. He helped Clinton push the North American Free Trade Agreement through the House, angering the left.
Nonetheless, Democrats praised the selection. Said Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y.: "He is the perfect choice. He knows the Hill, he knows substance, he knows politics, and most importantly, he can get the job done." |
Some very solid things to be said there, which are pretty much exactly what Obama needs. I think he would be much more effective with a guy like Emanuel working behind the scenes.
From what I know of Emanuel, he is a very ambitious man, of course, but maneuvers and works behind the scenes excellently, while still being loyal to it. An interesting guy, great pick.
I am curious if Emanuel is going to attempt to resurrect whatever it was that Hiliary's healthcare plan was in the past. They worked on it before, but it was kind of a mystery plan, as when it came to vote on it, no one really knew what it entailed as they just tried to quickly push it through (back in the Bill Clinton days). Emanuel was heavily involved in the developing of that healthcare plan, from my understanding.
It is interesting to note Emanuel is known as a centrist and as partisan, but willing to get things done. Quite a few comments by Republicans listed in this article http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15388.html
They like that he is a centrist, but I find it funny that Republicans of all people are demanding NOT having someone who is partisan. I agree about NOT liking the partisan people, but c'mon, the last 8 years were some of the most partisan group of people in DC you can imagine and they were ALL REPUBLICANS. Now Emanuel gets selected, and Republicans are concerned he is a CENTRIST and PARTISAN for Democrats? C'mon!
More interesting things from the previous article:
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And Emanuel is unlikely to be shy in Obama�s circle. In fact, he and Obama share political roots in Chicago, and they share a political brain in the form of adviser David Axelrod. Emanuel�s former DCCC press secretary, Bill Burton, is Obama�s national press secretary. Obama�s communications director, Dan Pfeiffer, is married to Emanuel�s top press aide, Sarah Feinberg. He�s close to Obama�s Senate chief of staff, Pete Rouse, and to his campaign chief of staff, David Plouffe.
�During my time in the Clinton White House, two of the most powerful words you could utter were �Rahm says,�� speechwriter Jeff Shesol said on Politico�s Arena page. �His selection makes clear, once again, that Barack Obama refuses to buy into the false dichotomy, the phony binary choice, of Old Hands vs. New Blood. He will have both.� |
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Kikomom
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko
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He will have both, and nothing but the best of the both, imho.
TB, I like him too because he does/did ballet. You can tell by his hand gestures and graceful posture. Wait'll the JoeSixpacks get ahold of that information (via the Limpblaughs of the gasways). |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| The guy is a LOYALIST. If you are going to surround yourself with certain people, he certainly has some great characteristics to compliment Obama and achieve whatever vision Obama might have. |
He is no lap dog. He's a hawk and "good old boy" , player. The only democrat to vote to stay in Iraq without conditions. He represents the handshake of Washington to keep it all, "business as usual".
I could say more but will refrain (to not offend that one group who will benefit most from his appointment). Not a great choice......
DD
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Kikomom wrote: |
| I might be the most uneducated political junkie here, but methinks we're seeing the makings of the Political Dream Team. Can someone come up for a better name for it? It is a new age. |
Why not just call it "a good govt?" If B. Obama keeps making such appointments, he will create a very good govt, one most of us can support and wish well.
Leave the grandiose language and the snipes at R. Limbaugh for the next campaign and attend to today's business... |
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Freakstar
Joined: 29 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
Excellent news...
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U.S. Rep. Rahm Emanuel will bring a "tough-minded" and "pragmatic" approach to the White House when he becomes President-Elect Barack Obama's chief of staff, according to people who know the Chicago, Illinois, native.
A Democratic aide told CNN that Emanuel, a former member of the Clinton administration, had accepted the position Thursday... |
CNN Reports |
Congratulations to Rahm Emanuel! I'm pleased to hear that Obama does not make decisions based off of quotes from Wikipedia.  |
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Freakstar
Joined: 29 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Tiger Beer wrote: |
The guy is a LOYALIST. If you are going to surround yourself with certain people, he certainly has some great characteristics to compliment Obama and achieve whatever vision Obama might have.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081107/ap_on_el_pr/obama
Some things said about Emanuel:
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With the selection, Democrats say Obama seemed to recognize he may have his work cut out for him in taming the House: Liberals may try to push their own agenda, not necessarily Obama's. They say Emanuel is someone who not only can stand up to Congress but also maneuver through it to achieve a chief executive's goals.
And, Emanuel provides something Obama lacks � a temperament and willingness to snarl, even at his boss' allies.
To varying degrees, the party's liberals and labor leaders are wary of Emanuel. He helped Clinton push the North American Free Trade Agreement through the House, angering the left.
Nonetheless, Democrats praised the selection. Said Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y.: "He is the perfect choice. He knows the Hill, he knows substance, he knows politics, and most importantly, he can get the job done." |
Some very solid things to be said there, which are pretty much exactly what Obama needs. I think he would be much more effective with a guy like Emanuel working behind the scenes.
From what I know of Emanuel, he is a very ambitious man, of course, but maneuvers and works behind the scenes excellently, while still being loyal to it. An interesting guy, great pick.
I am curious if Emanuel is going to attempt to resurrect whatever it was that Hiliary's healthcare plan was in the past. They worked on it before, but it was kind of a mystery plan, as when it came to vote on it, no one really knew what it entailed as they just tried to quickly push it through (back in the Bill Clinton days). Emanuel was heavily involved in the developing of that healthcare plan, from my understanding.
It is interesting to note Emanuel is known as a centrist and as partisan, but willing to get things done. Quite a few comments by Republicans listed in this article http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15388.html
They like that he is a centrist, but I find it funny that Republicans of all people are demanding NOT having someone who is partisan. I agree about NOT liking the partisan people, but c'mon, the last 8 years were some of the most partisan group of people in DC you can imagine and they were ALL REPUBLICANS. Now Emanuel gets selected, and Republicans are concerned he is a CENTRIST and PARTISAN for Democrats? C'mon!
More interesting things from the previous article:
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And Emanuel is unlikely to be shy in Obama�s circle. In fact, he and Obama share political roots in Chicago, and they share a political brain in the form of adviser David Axelrod. Emanuel�s former DCCC press secretary, Bill Burton, is Obama�s national press secretary. Obama�s communications director, Dan Pfeiffer, is married to Emanuel�s top press aide, Sarah Feinberg. He�s close to Obama�s Senate chief of staff, Pete Rouse, and to his campaign chief of staff, David Plouffe.
�During my time in the Clinton White House, two of the most powerful words you could utter were �Rahm says,�� speechwriter Jeff Shesol said on Politico�s Arena page. �His selection makes clear, once again, that Barack Obama refuses to buy into the false dichotomy, the phony binary choice, of Old Hands vs. New Blood. He will have both.� |
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How did you go from Emanuel is a "LOUSY CHOICE" to Emanuel is a "great pick." Just curious, what made you change your mind literally overnight? Additional research on the guy? |
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ManintheMiddle
Joined: 20 Oct 2008
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ddeubel driveled:
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Thanks for sparing us, then.
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| ...but will refrain (to not offend that one group who will benefit most from his appointment). Not a great choice...... |
I suppose you'd only be satisfied with someone like Dennis Kucinich, Trudeau's nephew, or some socialist American expat living in northern Europe.  |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Freakstar wrote: |
| How did you go from Emanuel is a "LOUSY CHOICE" to Emanuel is a "great pick." Just curious, what made you change your mind literally overnight? |
Reality. I wanted a 'great idea' man...but the more I think about it, a 'get-your-hands-dirty' man is even better for this particular position. Emanuel will get things DONE, and others like Obama can generate the ideas. Not everyone can be idea men.
I changed my mind due to the actual reality of the position and the kind of person who needs to fulfill that position more than anything.
My original feeling, due to Emanuel being the first appointed, I was looking for a great idea man. However that is completely unrealistic to this particular position.
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| The guy is a LOYALIST. If you are going to surround yourself with certain people, he certainly has some great characteristics to compliment Obama and achieve whatever vision Obama might have. |
He is no lap dog. |
Certainly not a lap dog, however I'd say he is a loyal to the man who appointed him, just as he was with Bill Clinton. During Clinton's administration, several Democrats actually FIRED Emanuel, namely HILIARY CLINTON. The story goes that Emanuel refused to leave his position unless Bill Clinton himself told him he was fired. Bill Clinton didn't do it.
To me, that sounds like Emanuel ONLY ANSWERS to ONE PERSON, and that is Bill Clinton. No loyalties to anyone else, but is there to institute directly from the top dog, and no one else. I find that characteristic impressive. |
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