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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| To me, that sounds like Emanuel ONLY ANSWERS to ONE PERSON, and that is Bill Clinton. No loyalties to anyone else, but is there to institute directly from the top dog, and no one else. I find that characteristic impressive. |
Tiger,
You are missing the "smell". He is a player and plays where the money is. His appointment and the quickness is mere "going through the motions" and was decided long before by the vast amounts of cash he brought the Obama campaign. Obama paid him off.....you got "who's zooming who" the wrong way around my friend. And where did the money come from? And who is the backer of the new chief-of-staff? Certainly not Obama and the American people....so much for democracy.
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:18 am Post subject: |
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Some more on Emanuel (no pun intended  ):
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Chief of Staff
Obama's key White House position will go to Rep. Rahm Emanuel of Illinois. While Emanuel knows his way around the corridors of Washington, qualifying him in the traditional sense, this alone doesn't mean he's the guy you want drawing up Obama's policy papers day after day.
For starters, Emanuel is a shameless neoliberal with close ties to the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC), even co-authoring a strategy book with DLC president Bruce Reed. Without Emanuel, Bill Clinton would not have been able to thrust NAFTA down the throats of environmentalists and labor in the mid-1990s. Over the course of his career, Emanuel's made it a point to cozy up to big business, making him one of the most effective corporate fundraisers in the Democratic Party. He's also a staunch advocate of Israel's occupation of Palestinian territories.
Emanuel's shinning moment came in 2006 as he helped funnel money and poured ground support into the offices of dozens of conservative Democrats, expanding his party's control of the House of Representatives. Emanuel, who supports the War on Terror, and expanding our presence in Afghanistan, worked hard to ensure that a Democratic House majority would not alter the course of US military objectives in the Middle East.
In short, Rahm Emanuel is not only a poor choice for Obama's Chief of Staff; he's one of the least progressive picks he could have made. While he may have decent views on abortion, tax policy, and social security, Emanuel's broader vision is more of the same: war and corporate dominance. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:34 am Post subject: |
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| Emanuel is a shameless neoliberal with close ties to the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) |
YES! Blue Dog Center-leftism FTW! |
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ManintheMiddle
Joined: 20 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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ddeubel imagined:
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Tiger,
You are missing the "smell". He is a player and plays where the money is. His appointment and the quickness is mere "going through the motions" and was decided long before by the vast amounts of cash he brought the Obama campaign. Obama paid him off.....you got "who's zooming who" the wrong way around my friend. And where did the money come from? And who is the backer of the new chief-of-staff? Certainly not Obama and the American people....so much for democracy |
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You sound like a sock for EFLTrainer. The only thing worse than a right-wing conspiracy nut is one from the left. Jeez, get a grip, Jasper. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Emanuel is a shameless neoliberal with close ties to the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) |
YES! Blue Dog Center-leftism FTW! |
Obama�s First Appointment Is Son Of Zionist Terrorist
Rahm Emanuel�s father was member of militant terror group that bombed hotels, massacred villagers - Obama pick is keen supporter of lobbying group aimed at creating militarized youth brigades
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Thursday, November 6, 2008
President elect Barack Obama�s first appointment, Rahm Emanuel, who is set to become chief-of-staff, is the son of a member of the Zionist terrorist group Irgun, which was responsible for bombing hotels, marketplaces as well as the infamous Deir Yassin massacre, in which hundreds of Palestinian villagers were slaughtered.
Revelations about Obama�s relationship with Bill Ayers, a Weather Underground domestic terrorist, which dogged him during the final weeks of the campaign trail, pale in significance to his selection of Emanuel, whose father, Benjamin M. Emanuel, was an Irgun member.
Irgun has been labeled a terrorist organization by both The New York Times newspaper and by the Anglo-American Committee of Enquiry.
Irgun was closely affiliated with the widely feared hardcore terrorist Stern Gang, an organization that carried out assassinations, train bombings and bombed police stations in an attempt to pave the way for unrestricted immigration of Jews into Palestine. Irgun operated in Palestine between 1931 and 1948.
Following the ideology of right-wing Revisionist Zionism, Irgun�s doctrine was that, �Every Jew had the right to enter Palestine; only active retaliation would deter the Arabs and the British; only Jewish armed force would ensure the Jewish state�.
This manifested itself by way of terror attacks such as the July 1946 bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, which killed 91 people. In 2006, Israelis including former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and former members of Irgun, attended a 60th anniversary celebration of the bombing organized by the Menachem Begin Centre.
Buses and marketplaces were also a target for Irgun, who were widely chastised for favoring attacks against civilian targets.
The widely condemned Deir Yassin massacre, which occurred in April 1948, involved Irgun working in consort with the Stern Gang and going house to house slaughtering Palestinian villagers. Eyewitness accounts of spies working for mainstream Jewish authorities, such as Meir Pa�il, reported Irgun members running around shooting civilians �full of lust for murder�.
�I saw the horrors that the fighters had created. I saw bodies of women and children, who were murdered in their houses in cold blood by gunfire, with no signs of battle and not as the result of blowing up the houses,� said eyewitness Eliahu Arbel.
�[One body was] a woman who must have been eight months pregnant,� noted Jacques de Reynier, a French-Swiss Representative of the International Red Cross, �He hit in the stomach, with powder burns on her dress indicating she�d been shot point-blank.�.
The son of a man who helped carry out this slaughter has now been selected by Obama to be his chief-of-staff. Cries of �sins of the father� lose their gusto when one considers the fact that, after the 1996 re-election of Bill Clinton, Rahm Emanuel �Was so angry at the president�s enemies that he stood up at a celebratory dinner with colleagues from the campaign, grabbed a steak knife and began rattling off a list of betrayers, shouting �Dead! � Dead! � Dead!� and plunging the knife into the table after every name.� Sounds like a nice guy.
Rahm Emanuel is also an enthusiastic supporter of the United States Public Service Academy Act, a lobbying group founded in 2006 in order to promote the foundation of an American public service academy modeled on the military academies - a youth corps whose students would be trained in �civilian internship in the armed forces�.
This rings the alarm bells when we recall Obama�s pledge to create a �civilian national security force� that is �just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded� as the U.S. military.
A creepy You Tube video of a brown-shirt style Obama youth brigade chanting and marching military style emerged last month, raising fears about where the messianic cult-like status of Obama�s image could eventually lead. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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ddeubel imagined:
You are missing the "smell". He is a player and plays where the money is. His appointment and the quickness is mere "going through the motions" and was decided long before by the vast amounts of cash he brought the Obama campaign. Obama paid him off.....you got "who's zooming who" the wrong way around my friend. And where did the money come from? And who is the backer of the new chief-of-staff? Certainly not Obama and the American people....so much for democracy
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You sound like a sock for EFLTrainer. The only thing worse than a right-wing conspiracy nut is one from the left. Jeez, get a grip, Jasper. |
Stevie, - you are the dirty sock calling the trenchcoat black. Please start adding some thought to what you write - then I might reply in kind.
Fact is == he was the largest "money" man in the Democatic apparatus.
Fact is == Obama immediately once elected, gave him the job of "boss man" over Capitol hill
Fact == Payed off. Services rendered. Still more "pay off" of this debt. We have a president you it looks will "dance" to the pied piper's tune...not a good sign.
bacasper -
I don't know if you believe what you post or not. It would help if you clarified? Do you believe, "like father, like son"? I don't and I'm an example of that. Further, this is one great feature of American society - this break from blood and allegiance.
But we can say with certainty that the Israeli lobby has wormed itself into the White House. I'm no conspiracist but I can say without a doubt that this appointment means 4 more years of unbalanced policy by America vis a vis the Middle East...too bad.
Lots in that article is really drivel....
DD
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Freakstar
Joined: 29 Jun 2007
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bacasper, when ALL your information is from one source - www.prisonplanet.com - you lose a lot of credibility. Not that they're always right, but ever hear of CNN? Newsweek? New York Times? LA Times? Washington Post? BBC? Even Wikipedia might be a better source of information than your Anti-Semitic blog. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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It turns out that West Wing characters were based on Rahm Emanuel (Josh Lyman) and Barack Obama (Matthew Santos).
Life Imitating Art?
Ian Woods
November 7, 2008 1:49 PM
The non-white candidate triumphed in the Presidential election against his older, Republican rival who had won the nomination of his party despite a lack of enthusiasm from Christian conservatives. And just hours before the result was declared the Democratic candidate had suffered the agony of losing someone he was close to.
No, I'm not talking about Barack Obama's triumph over maverick John McCain, a day after the death of Obama's beloved grandmother.
I'm talking about the "West Wing", the White House drama series which ended more than two years ago, even before Senator Obama had embarked on his historic Presidential campaign.
The NBC series won a small but loyal fan base on Channel 4 over seven years, but was never a big ratings draw in the UK. In the US it won plenty of Emmy Awards, but earned the scorn of Republicans who were amused that in TV-land Democrats kept winning Presidential elections, while in the real world, they kept losing.
The last series which was broadcast in 2006, saw Latino Congressman Matthew Santos (D) compete against Arnold Vinick (R), an experienced and principled moderate who was forced to pick a conservative running-mate to try to appeal to the right-wing base of his party.
Allow me lay my cards on the table and declare myself a "West Wing" fan, who owns every episode on DVD. Knowing that I was returning to Washington to cover Obama versus McCain, I thought it would be fun to bring with me that final season, and watch a fictional election campaign in parallel with the real one.
So over the course of the last few weeks, Santos/Obama has been competing with Vinick/McCain. The Republicans were looking good after their convention(s) but their hopes were dented by an unexpected event. In the real world it was the economic crisis. In the "West Wing" it was an accident at a California nuclear power plant which the Republican nominee had supported. Vinick/McCain stressed their experience at dealing with global issues which Santos/Obama campaigned on an optimistic domestic agenda.
A couple of weeks before election day I was watching an episode called the "Al Smith Dinner", in which the two candidates were giving keynote speeches at a renowned charity event in New York. I then switched on the TV, and watched Barack Obama and John McCain let their hair down and crack jokes at��the Alfred Smith Dinner in New York.
It got even more surreal a few days later. I'd just watched Matthew Santos, played by actor Jimmy Smits, delivering an impassioned plea for support. Then, there was Jimmy Smits appearing at a real rally in Florida, as a warm-up act for Barack Obama and Bill Clinton. (Smits wasn't nearly as appealing as his political alter-ego.)
I saved the Election Day episodes until just before the real event. The day Barack Obama's grandmother died after a battle with cancer, Santos's running-mate Leo McGarry died of a heart attack.
And then things really got really weird. Barack Obama has just appointed a Chief of Staff called Rahm Emanuel. In researching Mr Emanuel's background I discovered that he was the model for Obama's Chief of Staff Josh Lyman. According to Wikipedia, Mr Emanuel was such a fan of the "West Wing" that he was given a cameo role in an episode. I treated this information with scepticism - but watched the episode in question "The Wedding", and lo and behold, there is someone who looks very like Emanuel, having a conversation in the background while Josh is dining in a restaurant.
The similarities between Obama and Santos are not a coincidence. The scriptwriter Eli Attie told The Guardian recently that he based Santos on Obama - even though at the time Obama was new on the political scene. Attie used to be a speech writer for Al Gore. That would be the same Al Gore who filmed a "Saturday Night Live" sketch on the "West Wing" set soon after losing the 2000 election, in which he sat behind the desk in the Oval Office and was enjoying himself so much that he refused to leave.
So, I think we get the message. American politicians love the "West Wing", and the actors in the series have political aspirations. (Martin Sheen who played President Jed Bartlett has been an active supporter of Democratic candidates.)
But despite all this, I challenge any Hollywood scriptwriter to come up with anything as dramatic and compelling as the real-life rise of Barack Obama, from obscure Chicago politician to US President within five years. Come on�.it's just not plausible, is it? |
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ManintheMiddle
Joined: 20 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 7:00 am Post subject: |
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ddeubel spewed out:
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Stevie, - you are the dirty sock calling the trenchcoat black. Please start adding some thought to what you write - then I might reply in kind.
Fact is == he was the largest "money" man in the Democatic apparatus.
Fact is == Obama immediately once elected, gave him the job of "boss man" over Capitol hill
Fact == Payed off. Services rendered. Still more "pay off" of this debt. We have a president you it looks will "dance" to the pied piper's tune...not a good sign. |
Fact is, I don't give much credence to the tired tirades of political pundits who aren't American. But knowing that someone from the Far Left like you is dismayed with Obama's judgment in making Cabinet picks is heartening, to say the least.
I'm taking bets that it will be only a matter of months before the Far Lefties become disillusioned with Obama and start calling him a "sell-out" and an "Uncle Tom." And when that day comes--and it will come--I will rejoice. For it will only serve to reaffirm my belief that I did the right thing in voting for Obama.
Can I hear an a-men, Brother Dave of Milwaukie, Oregon. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 8:17 am Post subject: |
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Fact is == he was the largest "money" man in the Democatic apparatus.
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I don't think, and never thought, Obama was morally perfect. But my question to you is, why does it impugn him in any way to have raised so much money? |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 8:35 am Post subject: |
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bacasper -
I don't know if you believe what you post or not. It would help if you clarified? Do you believe, "like father, like son"? I don't and I'm an example of that. Further, this is one great feature of American society - this break from blood and allegiance.
But we can say with certainty that the Israeli lobby has wormed itself into the White House. I'm no conspiracist but I can say without a doubt that this appointment means 4 more years of unbalanced policy by America vis a vis the Middle East...too bad.
Lots in that article is really drivel.... |
I don't necessarily believe in everything from every article I post. I usually post for the information they provide, and hear people's reactions.
I also don't necessarily agree with "like father, like son," but then again, the apple does not fall far from the tree. I think what the article says about Emanuel's father is accurate; I am afraid it will reflect enough on the son so that the prediction of your last paragraph will come true. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 9:04 am Post subject: |
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| A creepy You Tube video of a brown-shirt style Obama youth brigade chanting and marching military style emerged last month, raising fears about where the messianic cult-like status of Obama�s image could eventually lead. |
I saw that video. I thought it was kind of odd, since it wasn't clear where exactly the chanting and marching were taking place. I thought maybe some inner-city youth club or something.
But I have to wonder if any of the paranoics at Prison Planet actually listened to what those kids were chanting. In the one I saw, they were saying stuff like "Because of Obama, I can be a chemical engineer" and "Because of Obama, I can be a tax lawyer". Basically saying that Obama was inspiring them to enter into respectable, middle-class professions. Hardly the stuff you'd expect to be hearing from some militant mob intent on burning down the whole house.
I still think it's a good possibility that some Republican operative paid those kids ten bucks each to march around like that and let him film it. Granted, the blase slogans were kind of off-message for making them look like radical marxists, but the operative might have known that the kids would have seen through the charade if he'd asked them to chant militant slogans. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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| I still think it's a good possibility that some Republican operative paid those kids... |
Come on. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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ddeubel wrote:
Fact is == he was the largest "money" man in the Democatic apparatus.
I don't think, and never thought, Obama was morally perfect. But my question to you is, why does it impugn him in any way to have raised so much money? |
Not at all. I'm all for Christmas 365 days a year too! If it would have remained just that - "here's the money, we are here to help", I'd be more than content.
However, there was immediate political payback. It is all just fancy, foxtrotting and otherwise known as a "bribe". I would expect Obama who ran on a ticket of being "clean" --- to not play in that pig stye.... Politics as usual, not so unusual but in this case -- worth a remark.
DD
http://eflclassroom.ning.com |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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| It is all just fancy, foxtrotting and otherwise known as a "bribe". |
Oh, well who bribed him? He didn't take any corporate money directly, so . . . at the very least the accusation is hard to prove.
I'm just wondering if you can set a goalpost. An honest politician should be able to raise money, as long as he does it right, right? |
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