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[Gopher]

Save the Youtube.com and Wikipedia evidence presentations for someone who needs them, Milwaukiedave.

I established this thread to show what "a landslide victory" was, what constituent elements -- I identified three specific points for comparison -- make up "a landslide victory," and finally to compare them to B. Obama's victory in 2008.

You have come here to take issue with my position. You have done this by attempting to force me into defending the W. Bush Administration's claims after 2004. You seem to view me suspiciously as if I am really attempting to cleverly establish something other than what I say. So we have devolved into personal attack and other forms of pettiness that I associate with your posting here -- take whatever it is that that Youtube.com clips shows, for example.

So there it is.

[Milwaukiedave]

Gopher, you totally missed the YouTube clip. It goes to show your sense of humor is hopeless.

Yet, you still can't point out where I said that Obama won by a landslide. The only thing I said is he has a mandate.

So again, where did I say he won by a landslide? I'll wait for your answer on that one.

[Gopher]

Milwaukiedave: it is very simple. You came here with a chip on your shoulder. And then you established an exclusionary construction that pitted you against me, and my position on this thread is this and this only: B. Obama did not win a landslide victory. Again, no more, no less.

I could not care less about the W. Bush Administration in 2004 at this point.

See...?

[Milwaukiedave]

So your not going to point out where I called Obama's win a landslide like you claim I did? What does that make you? A liar and an elitist.

[Gopher]

Predictable, typical, boring.

How about another last word? Come on, boy! Come on...

[Milwaukiedave]

[Gopher]

Good boy.

I shall train you yet.

[Milwaukiedave]

Gopher, save your porn pictures for yourself. Obviously you need them.

[sharkey]

[ManintheMiddle]

MilwaukieDave miscued:

[Adventurer]

As far as Obama winning by a land-slide some in the media have at least said it was an electoral college land-slide. You can't argue against that. As far as the popular vote, Obama did win by a large margin. In one sense, it was a land-slide, but when you look at the popular vote, it's hard to argue that it was. It was definitely a major defeat for John McCain. He, unfortunately, did not appeal to Republicans who were more like him, in my opinion. He worked too hard to appear to people very much to the right on social issues, and it backfired.

[Gopher]

[jaykimf]

Hey Gopher, Do you think its possible that some some landslides might be considerably bigger than other landslides? Giving examples of the largest landslides doesn't seem to me to give much indication of where to set the minimum threshold of what constitutes a landslide. I saw John King on CNN state that Obama won a landslide electoral college victory. Why is your definition of landslide any better than his? Because its your opinion? OK, fine you're entitled to your opinion. However, your dogged insistence that it was not a landslide seems pathetically pointless. Why does it matter so much to you that McCain did not lose in a landslide?

[Gopher]

"Dogged insistence." "Pathetically pointless." Will ignore your antagonistic language and intent, and your obvious chip-on-the-shoulder, something a lot of people seem blind to in any case. What would be the point in responding and then getting into a flame war that Ya-ta Boy would simply blame on me when running and reporting it to the mods?

Jaykimf: I established a testable definition of "landslide victory" via the comparative method. I cited FDR's landslide in 1936; LBJ's in 1964; R. Nixon's in 1972; and ManintheMiddle mentioned R. Reagan's in 1984.

I extrapolated three constituent elements in "a landslide": a massive electoral-college victory, such as Nixon's 520 to G. McGovern's 17 in 1972; a massive state-by-state victory, such as Reagan's 49 states to W. Mondale's 1 in 1984; and a ten-million or more lead in the popular vote, such as LBJ's approximately fifteen-million or so lead over B. Goldwater in 1964. Barack Obama's victory, while decisive, is simply not in the same league, no matter how you spin it.

FDR 1936

LBJ 1964

R. Nixon 1972

Ronald Reagan 1984

Barack Obama 2008

How do you respond to this? With belligerency; by denouncing my argument, which you show no sign of having seriously considered, as "just my opinion"; and then by citing CNN's John King as he somehow magically settles the matter from his perch in Atlanta. Why not turn your question on its head and ask why many of B. Obama's partisans feel so committed to not merely accepting this as a decisive victory but must characterize it as not only "a landslide," but in examples on this messageboard, "an unmitigated ass-kicking," etc.?

But perhaps not, Jaykimf. Perhaps your "pointless" was not such an inappropriate word choice after all...

[Adventurer]