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[Kuros]

[Gopher]

[Ukon]

[Ukon]

Gopher brings up a lot of good points that are correct.....I'm black and discrimination is nearly non-existent against me or so below the surface that I wouldn't be able to discriminate between simple dislike or racism.

A big part of the problem is that older blacks never gave up that chip on their shoulder...I've heard so many rich and well-off black folk talk as though the man was always holding them back and Jim crow was right around the corner again. They unfortunately teach such prejudice to their children leaving a counter racism mentality among the youth and "the man" and a paranoia about perceived racism... I've met plenty of people who just can't simply let any perceived slight side or blame everything on "racist honkies".

Quite frankly I wouldn't be surprised if most of the subtle discrimination is due to white people who don't know many black people and are shy as a result rather than any deep seated hatred.

[huffdaddy]

Trying to provoke a reaction, Gopher?

[bucheon bum]

huff,

Are you saying all african americans have those problems? The vast majority? Just poor ones?

If the latter, isn't that the case for any race?

I am sure you clarified this earlier but this thread is going in circles.

I personally subscribe to Kuros' argument.

[seosan08]

[mises]

To bring it back to Obama...

I don't know much about race in America (outside of Hollywood) but BO's first book really helped me start to understand the context. I strongly recommend Dreams from My Father. It is a surprisingly honest and often angry book. You can download the spoken edition (for which he won a grammy) from any torrent site. He is doing the speaking in it, which somehow makes listening to it even more candid than it already is.

But for Gopher, it seems BO would agree with much of what you say and most all of what Kuros says.

From the intro of The Audacity of Hope:

[Gopher]

Ukon: nice posts and cheers.

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H-diddy: I note that you have no evidence to cite, you can only repeat your assertions and allegations, and that you have resorted to your usual insults and personal attack, which is exactly how your participation on this thread began, now that I think about it. Meh.

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Bucheon Bum: exactly.

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Mises: my politics coincide with Barack Obama's on this point. I became aware of this when he confronted G. Ferraro, with whom others here coincide, last March. Obama's response to Ferraro: "Part of what I think Geraldine Ferraro is doing, and I respect the fact that she was a trailblazer, is to participate in the kind of slice and dice politics that's about race and about gender and about this and that, and that's what Americans are tired of because they recognise that when we divide ourselves in that way we can't solve problems."

[huffdaddy]

[huffdaddy]

[ManintheMiddle]

I have read both of Obama's books from cover to cover and they were my prime reason for endorsing him for president. His is not (at least in print) a politics of victimhood. His WHITE grandmother from Oklahoma Dust Bowl country raised him better than that. His BLACK grandmother from rural Kenya reminded him of what kind of pride is proper. A-men.

Huffdaddy's illusory gripes are just of the sort that is of much consternation to Obama, ironically enough. But of course he can't (or wont') see that.

If the white boys from the coal mines of West Virginia in the uplifting and biographical film October Sky had thought like him they'd never have worked for NASA or even the local hardware store.

[Hater Depot]

Interesting article about the future of American racial humor here.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/18/reid.dreesen.humor/index.html

[newton kabiddles]

[ManintheMiddle]

newton observed: