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wylies99



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:39 am    Post subject: Taxi Plan for Foreigners Backfires Reply with quote

11-18-2008 18:22

Taxi Plan for Foreigners Backfires
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2008/11/117_34617.html

By Kim Tae-jong
Staff Reporter

Seoul City's plan to introduce cabs only for foreign nationals with better services but at higher fares has drawn negative responses from most expatriates and foreign tourists.

Some simply claim the policy of creating ``foreigner-only taxis'' can be seen as a discriminatory tactic to overcharge foreigners, while others even argue that it can create an atmosphere of segregation.

``Some people think of the plan as discriminatory. I see it more as a way of squeezing extra money out of tourists like me who don't know any better.'' said David Llwyelen, 46, a British tourist.

The plan came as part of the city's efforts to help foreign residents and tourists enjoy convenient taxi services at all times and at the same time to cope with the mounting general complaints about taxi services.

``We have received a lot of complaints from foreigners here about taxi fares, miscommunication due to language barriers and selective acceptance of customers,'' a city official said. ``We've also concluded the phone translation service in regular taxis is insufficient to solve these problems.''

The special taxi service will introduce some 1,000 taxis with drivers who can speak English, Japanese, Chinese or other foreign languages. The service will be offered by arrangement through a call center and fares are expected to be about 20 percent higher than normal fares.

But many foreign residents point out that the exclusive service may help tourists who have just arrived here if they are not familiar with the life in Seoul, but will cause more difficulties to foreign residents.

``I just wonder if it's going to make it more difficult for foreigners to get a taxi, as the regular cab drivers might think that we now have our own service,'' said Pete Murphy, 36, an English language instructor in Seoul.

Some foreigners even seriously criticized the ``foreigner-only taxis,'' claiming they could cause an atmosphere of segregation between Koreans and foreigners.

``Most expatriates object to the policy because it increases an atmosphere of separation, when we simply want to be treated as equals here, and have the same access to public services as everyone else,'' an Internet user with the ID Jsburgeson said on The Korea Times Web site.

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ChinaBoy



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Strangely, I would prefer to be segregated. Of course, I've never claimed to have normal views on things.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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``Some people think of the plan as discriminatory. I see it more as a way of squeezing extra money out of tourists like me who don't know any better.'' said David Llwyelen, 46, a British tourist.


this must be a misprint. The guy must be here visiting a friend or relative English teacher/businessman/soldier. No way there's an actual western tourist here.
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i4NI



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems impossible to please these people unless you forced every Korean to become a native English speaker.
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greekvvedge



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i4NI wrote:
It seems impossible to please these people unless you forced every Korean to become a native English speaker.


you really think foreigners should be OK with being charged extra for a service they don't even need? is it necessary? or is it just tourist trap exploitation?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

greekvvedge wrote:


you really think foreigners should be OK with being charged extra for a service they don't even need? is it necessary? or is it just tourist trap exploitation?


Yeah but some people DO need those services...and for those that dont, theres a hundred million normal taxis still on the roads..
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Css wrote:
greekvvedge wrote:


you really think foreigners should be OK with being charged extra for a service they don't even need? is it necessary? or is it just tourist trap exploitation?


Yeah but some people DO need those services...and for those that dont, theres a hundred million normal taxis still on the roads..


i guess i'm just reading too much into the portion of the article about segregation between koreans and foreigners.

in any case , i cant imagine how it could be very successful with how few tourists visit korea. but i guess theyre trying something...maybe.
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i4NI



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Css wrote:
greekvvedge wrote:


you really think foreigners should be OK with being charged extra for a service they don't even need? is it necessary? or is it just tourist trap exploitation?


Yeah but some people DO need those services...and for those that dont, theres a hundred million normal taxis still on the roads..

lol basically. I think we've been on the same page these days, must be because we've both been accused of being gyopos Laughing
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Css



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

greekvvedge wrote:


i guess i'm just reading too much into the portion of the article about segregation between koreans and foreigners.

in any case , i cant imagine how it could be very successful with how few tourists visit korea. but i guess theyre trying something...maybe.


yeah i cant really see why there would be any segregation...given the absolutely insane numbers of normal taxis in seoul anyway..and these taxis would almost certainly be at the airport, outside major hotels and tourist spots, so its unlikely johnny korean is gonna have a problem with it..

The problem is the unwillingness of the average foreigner in korea to learn any korean..thats why they have problems in taxis and those are the complaints that get listened to...and the govt is trying too hard in response..
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Smee



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had positive experiences with cab drivers, and most are pretty nice guys. Am I the exception?

Yeah, I love to laugh at all of Korea's crazy schemes to boost tourism, but I have to give them credit for at least trying to make cabs more foreigner-friendly, even though their plans were totally off-base. You ever deal with cab drivers back home? Christ, what a miserable lot, and talk about overcharging. And just try suggesting to them to be more friendly to foreigners, or to be welcoming to people who don't speak English (or whatever language). HAHAHAHA.

Foreigners should just deal with the language barrier and take a few seconds to figure out where you're going. Sometimes there will be a communication problem. Just deal.

But what they need to do is get cab drivers to actually use this free translation service when necessary. I know it's got to be inconvenient at times, if the person on the other end has weak English, or if the white guy is speaking a mile a minute. But it's advertised, so use it. That would get rid of all this mess.
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Css



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i4NI wrote:

lol basically. I think we've been on the same page these days, must be because we've both been accused of being gyopos Laughing


lol yup

apologist gyopos unite
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bossface wrote:
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``Some people think of the plan as discriminatory. I see it more as a way of squeezing extra money out of tourists like me who don't know any better.'' said David Llwyelen, 46, a British tourist.


this must be a misprint. The guy must be here visiting a friend or relative English teacher/businessman/soldier. No way there's an actual western tourist here.


Don't be silly. There are some "actual western tourists" who come to Korea. In fact, I have met a few of them.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Konglishman wrote:
bossface wrote:
Quote:
``Some people think of the plan as discriminatory. I see it more as a way of squeezing extra money out of tourists like me who don't know any better.'' said David Llwyelen, 46, a British tourist.


this must be a misprint. The guy must be here visiting a friend or relative English teacher/businessman/soldier. No way there's an actual western tourist here.


Don't be silly. There are some "actual western tourists" who come to Korea. In fact, I have met a few of them.


Not enough to warrant 1000 dedicated taxis for them.
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Gatsby



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
``Some people think of the plan as discriminatory. I see it more as a way of squeezing extra money out of tourists like me who don't know any better.'' said David Llwyelen, 46, a British tourist.


A British "tourist" in Korea in November?

How did the reporter find this tourist? Did he spend an hour at a museum waiting to see a white face?

Do you really think a reporter wandered around town looking for a tourist to quote?

As to taxi drivers back home, it depends on where you are referring to, but I think most are honest, partly because the industry is usually carefully regulated. But it depends.

Look, Korea prides itself on being high tech. Wouldn't it make more sense to put some foreign friendly technology into the cabs, combined with the gps and cell phones? They could even print out a detailed receipt with starting and ending points, not to mention a printout of a map with the route, plus the fee, of course. This would presumably keep the cabby honest.

The trouble with Korea is they generally can't solve problems creatively and effectively, but tend to do so through a haze of presumptions and prejudices. They also have a resistance to market studies, such as talking to foreigners about proposals.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Css wrote:
greekvvedge wrote:


you really think foreigners should be OK with being charged extra for a service they don't even need? is it necessary? or is it just tourist trap exploitation?


Yeah but some people DO need those services...and for those that dont, theres a hundred million normal taxis still on the roads..


true, but the article mentioned that there's the possibility, with all these foreigner-only cabs out on the road, that some normal cabbies will think that they shouldn't be picking up foreigners at all.... therefore leaving us being passed by a whole lot more often and paying 20% if we get stuck in a foreigner-only cab.

i really don't see why they're thinking of these cabs, i hardly ever have a problem with cabbies and my korean is minimal.
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