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moosehead
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if anyone reading here really thinks that science is looking for a gay gene - 
that's too funny - it really shows how ignorant you are - !!!
in a nutshell:
hormones are proteins that our bodies make. these hormones do different things. the ones which are responsible for sexual characteristics are programmed to be made by genes. this is where the genetics comes into the picture. if a gene somehow misprograms for either an incorrect amount of hormone, or none at all, or an overabundance of the other - or any combination of these - something will interrupt the process.
this is why among gay people there is still so much variety - for instance, very masculine appearing men who are still gay - and very effeminate (sp?) men who are gay - and may even claim to be "trapped" in a man's body.
this is why among lesbians there is a huge diversity and much more apparent - a "butch" looking female vs. one who could be considered a Playboy centerfold but still digs only chicks.
and there's the transvestites, the bisexuals, the transgender people - all this because genetics is NOT perfect, and neither are humans. duh - ! we're a LONG way from it.
furthermore, when in the womb exposure to hormones and/or toxic chemicals can also mess things up - this has been proven over and over again.
heck, there are reptiles that if the temp of the egg varies too high or too low, the sex of the fetus will be determined accordingly (I think it's a turtle species, can't recall at the moment).
people who go off half-cocked about gay marriage being "abnormal" are ignorant, biased bigots. there's no excuse. they are also woefully ignorant of basic reproductive science - but hey - that's the way the governing corporations like it these days.  so they can pass their OWN agenda -  |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:51 am Post subject: |
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| no, it's not a lifestyle. homosexuality is determined before birth. it's genetic. this has been known as scientific fact for many years, decades in fact. |
This is a joke. People choose to be sodomites..they aren't born that way. If your going to make an outrageous claim like that then bring sources to back it up.
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wtf? do you honestly think every gay person chose to be that way? Are you kidding me?? Dude, wow..
This is an honest question: do you know any gay people? |
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bangbayed
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:52 am Post subject: |
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| seosan and Quack Addict certainly do have wide stances... |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:27 am Post subject: |
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| Cornfed wrote: |
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| People choose to be sodomites..they aren't born that way. |
Why would anyone besides a masochist choose a lifestyle which is scorned by the majority of society? (There is no evidence that all homosexuals are masochists, either.) |
One theory is that it is a kind of prison neurosis with civilization essentially being a giant prison. Various animals that are not gay naturally go gay in captivity, including humans of course. Hence when the options for normal sexual relations are unavaliable or so deeply unpleasant as to be unthinkable (e.g. marriage to Western women) becoming gay may be some people's coping mechanism. |
"Some people assert that there is a genetic predisposition to homosexuality, but I believe women drive men to it."
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:16 am Post subject: |
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| To think that some of you are teachers. Quack Addict, seosan80 and cornfed remind me how much the human race still has to grow. |
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moosehead
Joined: 05 May 2007
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:58 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| Quack Addict wrote: |
| People choose to be sodomites..they aren't born that way. |
Why would anyone besides a masochist choose a lifestyle which is scorned by the majority of society? (There is no evidence that all homosexuals are masochists, either.) |
One theory is that it is a kind of prison neurosis with civilization essentially being a giant prison. Various animals that are not gay naturally go gay in captivity, including humans of course. Hence when the options for normal sexual relations are unavaliable or so deeply unpleasant as to be unthinkable (e.g. marriage to Western women) becoming gay may be some people's coping mechanism. |
"Some people assert that there is a genetic predisposition to homosexuality, but I believe women drive men to it."
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and I suppose some believe just the opposite?
sigh, have heard as much - |
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seosan08
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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| To think that some of you are teachers. Quack Addict, seosan80 and cornfed remind me how much the human race still has to grow. |
You remind me how stupid and brainwashed you become by exposure to PC drivel and propaganda. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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Just from a personal perspective, I'm all about the ladies (well, just one now), and I have never had a prurient interest in the male form. Just how I am. If I felt gay, you better believe I'd be the queerest gay alive. Cause I'm a horndog.
Now other guys may have a prurient interest in the male form. I have met , went to school with, and worked alongside gay guys, most of whom of whom were very cool (and usually highly comedic). I even partied with them on occasion (although my pants always stayed firmly affixed to my body).
My question is: What the *beep* does anybody care about what other consenting adults do with each other behind (hopefully) closed doors? I fail to understand why it matters so much to so many people.
Get over it already. |
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seosan08
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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My question is: What the *beep* does anybody care about what other consenting adults do with each other behind (hopefully) closed doors? I fail to understand why it matters so much to so many people.
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The question isn't which sodomite is infecting which sodomite. Like I said, let them spread their diseases to each other to their hearts content. The issue is the militant ones disrupting and attacking the public because the public voted down Prop 8. In which case, the public has every right to bash back. |
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bangbayed
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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| seosan08 wrote: |
| laogaiguk wrote: |
| To think that some of you are teachers. Quack Addict, seosan80 and cornfed remind me how much the human race still has to grow. |
You remind me how stupid and brainwashed you become by exposure to PC drivel and propaganda. |
One reason I always question the use of the term "PC". Every time I hear someone say it, especially on the far right, it's their blanket argument for discrediting rational thought. Same goes for the terms "elitist" and "intellectual".
9 times out of 10, the person is a tool. Seosan hasn't proven me wrong. |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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I personally don't agree with the "marriage" term, because it is a traditional institution in my opinion. At the same time, I don't have any problems with same sex unions.
I often wondered if two buddies living together could share benefits for a couple of years.
As far as the gay haters, ease up boys. What's so threatening about them? Politically I may bot agree with the gay agenda, but I don't agree with Republicans either.
I've gone to school, worked with and made buddies with a few gays over the years and I always saw a similar pattern with them. They had serious issues with their fathers and were reall close to their mothers. I am sure thier are exceptions to this pattern, but it the one constant that I have witnessed amongst gays.
I stumbled across this lecture a while back and it seems to make sense to me...
http://www.homosexuality101.com/
Regardless of your opinion on gays, I think it is a choice of sorts, but a choice made from factors of the environment. |
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moosehead
Joined: 05 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:25 am Post subject: |
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| seosan08 wrote: |
| caniff wrote: |
My question is: What the *beep* does anybody care about what other consenting adults do with each other behind (hopefully) closed doors? I fail to understand why it matters so much to so many people.
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The question isn't which sodomite is infecting which sodomite. Like I said, let them spread their diseases to each other to their hearts content. The issue is the militant ones disrupting and attacking the public because the public voted down Prop 8. In which case, the public has every right to bash back. |
isn't it pretty common knowledge that those who are the most vehemently opposed to homosexuality are actually repressed homosexuals themselves? and the reason it's so threatening is because they'd have to come to terms with the very part of themselves they've always hated - you know, that good ol' self-loathing and all.
yep. fully closeted, w/o a doubt |
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samcheokguy
Joined: 02 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:34 am Post subject: |
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| isn't it pretty common knowledge that those who are the most vehemently opposed to homosexuality are actually repressed homosexuals themselves? and the reason it's so threatening is because they'd have to come to terms with the very part of themselves they've always hated - you know, that good ol' self-loathing and all. |
the only problem with this logic is it isn't logical. In fact it makes no sense. J. Edgar Hoover was not a secret communist. The Pope is not a secret Jew. Arabs are not secret Jews. Catholic Hard-Liners don't really want to abort. Koreans don't wish they were Japanese, they want to kill them.
Why does/should it be true for gays? Because it is a way around any debate on the subject. There are valid arguments AGAINST having sex and reproducing period. Not very good ones, but good enough for various peoples at various times. But anybody who says "I'm against hommosexuality" is in addition to being a bigot, also 'on the down low'. Seems a bit unfair. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:53 am Post subject: |
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I've gone to school, worked with and made buddies with a few gays over the years and I always saw a similar pattern with them. They had serious issues with their fathers and were reall close to their mothers. I am sure thier are exceptions to this pattern, but it the one constant that I have witnessed amongst gays.
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I stumbled across this lecture a while back and it seems to make sense to me...
http://www.homosexuality101.com/ |
While the pattern you have seen may well be true in many cases, we do not know if the dysfunctional paternal relationship causes the son's homosexuality, or if the father's dysfunction is a response to his son's perceived pre-homosexuality, i.e. this certainly does not rule out a genetic cause.
Except for this point which Dr. Hamilton does not address in that lecture, I find little fault in her exposition which neatly combines Freud's pioneering work on psychosexual development with the subsequent investigative work in "gender identity/role" (G-I/R) of the late Father of Sexology and Johns Hopkins Professor Emeritus of Psychiatry and Pediatrics Dr. John Money. |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:51 am Post subject: |
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I don't really know Bascaper. I''ve never taken a psyche course in my life, I can only make judgements from my personal experiences. I would say that in all cases of the people I knew really well, they had either a hard ass father, who they really resentes or a non existant one. At the same time, they all had a very strong relationship with their mother. Just a similar pattern.
I've always suspected this about gays and when I questioned a few buddies about it, they all reluctantly agreed that thaat was the situation. It sounds like you are better versed in it than me though. |
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