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What do you think about anju?
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What's your opnion of anju?
It's understandable. I don't mind ordering some food.
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Order food or leave? What kind of stupid policy is this?
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ryleeys



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Columbia, MD

PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your bar is full, screw it, be picky about your customers...

If your bar is empty and you toss out 15 beers cause you want them to order 2000 won worth of fish, you're a moron and the Darwin Awards will be along any minute to take care of things...
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kangnam mafioso



Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: Teheranno

PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i usually don't argue with them if they are intense about you ordering anju. if you're with a group, just order the cheapest thing (usually dried nuts and squid). if it's just 2 people, try to find a place that doesn't make you order anju. most only require it with the draft beer -- order bottles instead or sit at the bar.
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the_beaver



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have to buy anju because they make shit off the alcohol. Unless it's a really busy bar anju is the only place to make profit.
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Psy



Joined: 11 Sep 2003
Location: Hongdae

PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's become kind of a habit now to munch on something while drinking.
I've been drinking at places like Applebees, TGIF, and Bennigens, since I've come back, just so I can eat while drinking. Strange Rolling Eyes
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Thomas



Joined: 25 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At first I didn't like the "anju" thing and did leave a few places because they wouldn't just serve me beer. Eventually, I knew what places 'required' anju and which ones didn't. Most of the 'western bars' I went to did not require anju (but providded free peanuts). Eventually I got used to it and actually looked forward to anju.

I think the biggest difference is adjusting to the difference in the bar scene (at least in the countryside). Barhopping alone or often doesn't fit with how Koreans do it... therefore the owner finds it odd. I like the Korean style with a group of friends... have some food and drinks and talk and sit at a comfy table. I also like going out alone and hopping. When I encountered the people who wanted to force me to buy anju (or who wanted to stare or ask dumb questions)... I just left.

To the person ranting about the meat service at the restaurants. At first I didn't like this either... but the "per person" price is not just the meat but also for the charcoal (or gas) and the side dishes. Setting a big meat meal up for 7,000 won really isn't profitable. When I wanted meat and was alone, I just ordered 2 servings... one serving was never enough anyway. The restaurant was happy and so was I.
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?

PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It may not be profitable, but I was the only customer in the entire (huge) restaurant.

I also tried to tell them to go easy on the side dishes, since I don't generally eat them. I'm not paying 14,000 won just to have some damn meat by myself.
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gomurr



Joined: 04 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I usually don't like to order the anju myself, i'm usually there for the beer. Also being forced to order anju at alot of bars in Korea which are usually expensive, makes it harder to do a true pub crawl. When some friends and I tried to do a pub crawl in Kangnung years ago we only managed to hit 4 or 5 different bars and it cost quite a bit each time because we were slowed down by all the anju (even though we ordered the cheapest stuff). kind of takes the wind out of the sails.
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steroidmaximus



Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: GangWon-Do

PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

just tell em you'll order the anju later.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That anju thing is quite annoying. It was just as annoying in Taiwan.

I have found that in the places where I'm a regular, the owner is more flexible about ordering anju. I can get by without ordering it everytime. But I do make sure to order something most of the time and I make sure to speak to the owner on nights when I bring a new friend.
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jaebea



Joined: 21 Sep 2003
Location: SYD

PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, having a regular watering hole is a good way to avoid anju if it doesn't really float your boat.

I actually try to factor in some anju when I'm heading out, even though it's expensive, there's nothing QUITE like doobu-kimchi with that soju.

Goddamn.

:)

jae.
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mishlert



Joined: 13 Mar 2003
Location: On the 3rd rock from the sun

PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have never had the problem of having to order food or leave, but I do know of of an incident in Daegu where the bar saw the stupidity of their ways.
Rock & Roll Bar in Daegu used to have this policy until a group of about 10, to 15 westerners came in to drink. They ordered their drinks and were told to order some food. They, of course, said no and the manager was called over to their table and he told them that they had to order some food if they wanted to stay and drink. He was informed of the amount of money they had spent at the bar in the past, and that they were planning on drinking a lot that night. He insisted, so they left in a huff telling him that they were going to tell their friends about it and to not be surprised if the foreign clients stopped coming.
Well, one the guys in the group was a friend of my co-worker and he told us about it. We told the teachers at the school I was working for at the time, and so on.
I did not go to Rock & Roll for a while, and then one weekend night I stumbled in with some friends and the place was dead, but the people working there went out of their way to make us feel welcome. We ordered, and got our beers without having to order food.
Whether or not the incident with the manager had anything to with it, I don't know, but the timing of it all makes one wonder.
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Thomas



Joined: 25 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2004 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zyzyfer wrote:
It may not be profitable, but I was the only customer in the entire (huge) restaurant.

I also tried to tell them to go easy on the side dishes, since I don't generally eat them. I'm not paying 14,000 won just to have some damn meat by myself.


Yeah, I can see where you are coming from. I always hated having to explain that "yes, I do want two portions so it is okay to serve me" the first time I tried it. Usually what worked best for me was hitting a good place regularly... they got used to me coming in and even though I always ordered two portions (the minimum... which is sometimes even written on the menu card), they would hook me up with my favorite side dishes (like the place that served the steamed ray hon-oh jjim... mmmmm)
I usually justified the big empty places that wouldn't serve one person because they were a 'foreigner' or didn't follow the 'rules' just plain dumb and not a place I would eat at anyways... funny how I saw many of them go out of business!

About anju... I really did get hooked on it and one of my complaints was that the 'hipper' foreigner -friendly bars usually had crappy anju! Usually we'd start at a Korean style place (especially a Min-seok Joojeom - traditional style bar) for some soju or beer and heaps of tooboo kimchee... fantastic! Then move on to a western style place for drinks (it seems that even in the countryside there were a few). One bad thing was that in the countryside or small cities, the bars that were western style (and no forced anju) usually had very few customers... and almost no pretty young Koreans of the opposite sex! They usually attracted older foreign English teachers, who can be fun, but...
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Apple Scruff



Joined: 29 Oct 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2004 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never met Anju. I don't talk about people behind their back.
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the wrangler



Joined: 24 Oct 2003
Location: the next flight to korea to find mankind

PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zyzyfer wrote:
There's not a lot of stuff here that makes me livid, but the anju thing is one of them. *beep* cultural sensitivity, charge me more for the beers and let me keep drinking, because I'm not hungry.

Another big thing dealing with food and culture is the 1 person thing at a restaurant. I just had this happen tonight...wanted meat and went to a kalbi shop nearby. Asked for meat, get seated and the lady tells another lady that I want kalbi for 1. Other lady says it's not possible. First lady comes back and tells me this. I know why it's happening, but god damn it, I want some MEAT people. Stupid il ban shik joints never have a pure meat dish. I want ANIMAL FLESH FOR PROTEIN. The restaurant was EMPTY. I don't want stupid cultural issues stopping my ingestion of FOOD. It's 7,000 won up front they won't get, along with one less person trying to take friends here.

What is with the bad business sense? If you're a bar, serve BEER. If you're a restaurant, serve FOOD.

I'm sure someone's gonna give me *beep* about how my Western viewpoint doesn't take Korea into account...tough *beep*.




Did you ever stop (or sit, perhaps) and wonder WHY the restaurant was empty?

Maybe it's because of the meat. Cool
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weatherman



Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 12:19 am    Post subject: Re: What do you think about anju? Reply with quote

shawner88 wrote:
(I really don't understand eating fruit with beer)


wow, I love fruit with beer, in fact is about the only times a get a sizable serving of fruit in my diet. I usually get it free, and never pay for the fruit though.... But I go to only to or three bars, and they know me well....

If it is a really bar, they will not ask you to order food. Never have had this problem anywhere in Korea, though going to a Korean style hof with table is a whole nother story, and yeah, here, at these places you have to order up the anju, and you should too, becuase the sang-maek-ju sucks big...
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