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US McDonald's shift manager makes more money than us.
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marlow



Joined: 06 Feb 2005

PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pkang0202 wrote:

3. Friends and Family are very far away. How many weddings, births, and birthdays have we missed?



And deaths, sadly. I couldn't afford a week off to go to my grandfather's funeral nor my best friend's.
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scotticus wrote:
pkang0202 wrote:

We do all of these things to get a small one-room apartment that a McDonald's shift manager doesn't get.


Pkang, your registration says March 2007. What you describe is a first-year situation. After a year, you should be in a job that will allow you to live in something bigger than a box. And you sure as hell shouldn't be making less than a McD's manager, even with the shitty exchange rate. Even for a first year job, 2.2 is shit; it's downright shameful for anyone to be making that little after their first year.


I agree. As we get experience and become better instructors, we should be better compensated. The problem is, we aren't seeing it.

First year SMOE is 1.8 mil. First year EPIK/GEPIK is 2.0. 2nd year is 2.0 for SMOE and 2.1 for GEPIK.
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crusher_of_heads



Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!

PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Xuanzang wrote:
Some of these little kids make it worth it being out here. Much more satisfying than yelling at high schoolers or working ungodly hours as the manager of McDonalds. I wouldnt trade this life for the same paying job back home.


Or a teaching job back home, apart from supply teaching.

On the positive side, ***some*** South Koreans being backwards and hostile to foreigners-sure, it can suck but it's not as if if I am wanting to invest a single moment of my time into their lives, especially older, entitlement mentality soju soaked adjosshis.
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offtheoche



Joined: 21 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To the op....speak for yourself about how much money YOU make. Rolling Eyes Laughing

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JFuller317



Joined: 10 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you buy Korean products, you're not making the equivalent of $1500, you're making 2.x won. It's only $1500 if you're sending money home or buying all imported products.

Also, you have to consider work environment. Working in any retail job that isn't a high-end store, you'll have to put up with rude, impatient customers hassling you non-stop and being condescending pricks because they think you're below them. You'll be on your feet for almost an entire eight hours. You'll get two ten minute breaks and a half hour lunch. You'll come home dead-tired and possibly smelling like fast-food or cardboard. Your shifts will vary each week, making it impossible to really have a set schedule outside of work. You'll be required to come in at some ungodly hour like 4:30am periodically to take part in a truck-unloading shift.

And it's not like we're Japanese people trying to live in Nanking in 1946. The environment isn't THAT bad. Sure, I get the occasional ajoshi glare, but people are generally quite polite in my experience.

Another benefit is that you're getting to really expand your horizons. Millions of people in the U.S. will live and die without ever leaving the country. You get to live in a foreign country for a year.

There's no way I'd take a McDonald's job over this, even if the exchange rate dropped to 1800 to 1.
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sojourner1



Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Where meggi swim and 2 wheeled tractors go sput put chug alugg pug pug

PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can have that awful stress of a low paying McJob. That's no way to live and enjoy life. It's pitiful what we've reduced ourselves down to at home.
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JFuller317



Joined: 10 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly. Here I come in for about 7 hours a day. I'm not even teaching for about half that time. I'm supposed to be planning lessons, but after awhile that takes like five minutes. I have many hours each week to write a novel, practice music, expand my cinematic knowledge by downloading and watching moves, or whatever else I want to do.

I was in a management training program for a retail chain before I came here. They said I could be making $45k within 2-3 years, but there was no way I was going to waste years of my life rising up the retail chain for pay that isn't even that good. The work environment there was an absolute nightmare. If the worst I have to deal with here is disrespectful children, that's a huge improvement over customers who treat you like a slave and having to lift heavy boxes constantly.
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Ukon



Joined: 29 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny, a similar situation happened to my work friend...

I had a nice job working summers at a grocery drug store... a little boring, but the pay was alright and the costumers were nice. My co-worker graduated about 2 years earlier than me for college...spent a year in journalism, came back and became supervisor....she intended to go back to school to become a pilot eventually since a journalism degree isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

I told her about my plans for ESL and she had friends that did it...didn't express interest at all.

Fast forward two years, she's still a supervisor, lives at home, and the only additional educational she's gotten is waitressing becuase she has two jobs now. I still get automatic facebook updates about horrible late night shifts and early morning hours from her.


So I sent her a PM asking how everyone is at work and telling her I'm having a great time teaching here....She hasn't replied back at all suffice to say...that's some bitterness!

40+ hour split shifts,(two jobs) living at home, next to no vacation, and little to no respect at work. I'll take Korea please.
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JFuller317



Joined: 10 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Journalism is going through a tough time because everything is moving away from print and towards online publishing. There was a time when journalists could make a decent middle-class salary. Not so much these days unless you rise up to an editing position.
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