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Far Right Commentator: Obama isn't Christian
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mises

Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired

Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:42 am Post subject:

If such a voter existed, s/he would have zero reason to ever vote.

Kuros

Joined: 27 Apr 2004

Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:47 am Post subject:

mises wrote:

If such a voter existed, s/he would have zero reason to ever vote.

Some people have too much faith in superstition. Some people have too much faith in reason.

mises

Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired

Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:03 am Post subject:

Kuros wrote:

mises wrote:

If such a voter existed, s/he would have zero reason to ever vote.

Some people have too much faith in superstition. Some people have too much faith in reason.

I don't know what to say to that. Well, I do know what to say but I can already see the annoying discussion that would follow. I think Dave's has been down this path before... In fact, I think the off topic forums has several threads going now?

Kuros

Joined: 27 Apr 2004

Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:06 am Post subject:

mises wrote:

Kuros wrote:

mises wrote:

If such a voter existed, s/he would have zero reason to ever vote.

Some people have too much faith in superstition. Some people have too much faith in reason.

Yup. Lots of ol' reason v. revelation threads. Some good Athens v. Jerusalem smackdowns. Its a 2000 year debate and isn't going to be resolved these days.

That's why I tend to tolerate those who can balance reason and revelation.

sharkey

Joined: 12 Oct 2008

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 11:09 pm Post subject:

Kuros wrote:

mises wrote:

Kuros wrote:

mises wrote:

If such a voter existed, s/he would have zero reason to ever vote.

Some people have too much faith in superstition. Some people have too much faith in reason.

there is no god you kentucky redneck

Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 11:51 pm Post subject: Re: Far Right Commentator: Obama isn't Christian

Joe Carter wrote:

Christ is a divine being. From this interview it does not appear that Obama believes this is true:

Quote:

FALSANI: Who�s Jesus to you? (Obama laughs nervously)

OBAMA: Right. Jesus is an historical figure for me, and he�s also a bridge between God and man, in the Christian faith, and one that I think is powerful precisely because he serves as that means of us reaching something higher. And he�s also a wonderful teacher. I think it�s important for all of us, of whatever faith, to have teachers in the flesh and also teachers in history.

This is, of course, exactly wrong. Jesus is not merely a "bridge" between God and man, Jesus is both fully-human and fully divine. Obama�s statement is more akin to something his role model Gandhi would say, rather than the claim made by an orthodox believer.

In fact, nowhere in the interview did I ever get the impression that Obama subscribes to even the most basic beliefs that are typically associated with being a Christian.

Is 'Joe Carter' just searching for anything...first off, the Obama laughing nervously...I notice Obama OFTEN does that laugh before almost ANY question, particularly kind of half-ass questions where its obvious the person is starting with a weird-ass agenda.

This particular agenda is to somehow prove to the 'believers' that Obama is a 'disbeliever'. Then when Obama says Jesus is like a bridge between God and Man (a very COMMON answer) and a great teacher (also OFTEN said)....then Joe Carter says EXACTLY WRONG!! What? Are you serious? You got to be kidding me!

Anyways, this interview leaves me the impression that Joe Carter is a man with an agenda more than whatever message Joe Carter is trying to purvey.

The Bobster

Joined: 15 Jan 2003

Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 12:56 am Post subject:

mises wrote:

The things that a person believes will inform her or his decisions.

This is wrong. I'd like to challenge someone to provide some evidence for this. It's one of those things that people say, and sort of assume that everyone will agree with them about. I don't think it is so.

We make decisions based on other criteria: 1) What is most necessary right now? 2) What is easiest to do? 3) What is most beneficial? 4) What makes the most sense, and can be most easily justified to others in a way that seems rational? 5) What makes me look better than I might otherwise, if I did nothing or did the opposite thing?

I could probably go on and enumerate at least half a dozen more like this before finally getting around to : What does my religion teach me is the best thing to do?

I think religion is only useful in politics in two ways - to get people to feel an affinity for you by claiming a set of shared values, and to persuade people to your own course of action by appealing to a Higher Authority.

It does not matter at all to me if Barack Obama calls himself a Christian, for the same reason that Colin Powell spoke of when giving his endorsement, in reference to the assertion by idiots in our midst that he's a secret Muslim: it just doesn't matter. Whatever finer qualities the man might possess are completely independent of how and where he spends his Sunday mornings.

I can't think of any other country besides America - and only for the past 30 years or so, at that - where a political candidate needs to affirm and demonstrate a personal faith in a loving God and display it for the electorate. It is, and ought to be, a very private thing, and for some reason it has become a litmus test about whether a person ought to even be considered for public life. It's weird.

bucheon bum

Joined: 16 Jan 2003

Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:12 am Post subject:

sharkey wrote:

Kuros wrote:

mises wrote:

Kuros wrote:

mises wrote:

If such a voter existed, s/he would have zero reason to ever vote.

Some people have too much faith in superstition. Some people have too much faith in reason.

there is no god you kentucky redneck

so are you the left-wing version of mr. sodomite, good ol seosan?

Privateer

Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.

Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 7:18 am Post subject:

fiveeagles wrote:

I think we will find that Obama's faith is more like Oprah's. Where all paths lead to God. Jesus is only one of those paths.

How else could he justify abortion.

I assume you believe abortion is a form of murder and should therefore be treated as such under the law, rather than left to the individual conscience as at present. Now, do you honestly believe that any electable candidate in the last 3 elections actually supported that position? I don't believe you do. The most they do is make it somewhat easier or more difficult to get an abortion, rather than the radical change you seek. So why single out Obama for censure? Aren't all candidates of both parties equally worthy of your condemnation?

I don't understand why you pro-lifers are so eager to be footsoldiers for a party that plainly doesn't give a damn about you. If you really want change you need to find a new strategy.

BS.Dos.

Joined: 29 Mar 2007

Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 8:31 am Post subject:

Since when did religion have anything to do with politics? Oh yeah, you're talking about America.

On the other hand

Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue

Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:05 am Post subject:

bucheon bum wrote:

sharkey wrote:

Kuros wrote:

mises wrote:

Kuros wrote:

mises wrote:

If such a voter existed, s/he would have zero reason to ever vote.

Some people have too much faith in superstition. Some people have too much faith in reason.

there is no god you kentucky redneck

so are you the left-wing version of mr. sodomite, good ol seosan?

Sharkey's left-wing shock-jock routine doesn't really work in a discussion with Kuros, who is one of the more polite and measured posters on this board. That sort of schtick works better when the guy you're baiting has a rhetorical style similar to your own.

Kuros

Joined: 27 Apr 2004

Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:39 am Post subject:

sharkey wrote:

Kuros wrote:

mises wrote:

Kuros wrote:

mises wrote:

If such a voter existed, s/he would have zero reason to ever vote.

Some people have too much faith in superstition. Some people have too much faith in reason.

there is no god you kentucky redneck

Am I supposed to take your statement purely on faith?

If so, that's not how I roll.

But why make this about me? Let's talk about the awesomeness that is Louisville, KY.

Quote:

Notable residents have included inventor Thomas Edison, U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis, boxing legend Muhammad Ali, newscaster Diane Sawyer, actor Tom Cruise, and writers Hunter S. Thompson and Sue Grafton.

Okay, so I'm ashamed of Tom Cruise, *looks up Sue Grafton*, but the rest of these people are pretty cool.

Quote:

Notable events occurring in [Louisville] include the first public viewing place of Edison's light bulb, the first library open to African Americans in the South,[6][7] and medical advances including the first human hand transplant,[8] the first self-contained artificial heart transplant,[9] and the development site of the first cervical cancer vaccine.

Louisville is a haven for medical advancements.

Louisville is also welcoming of gays.

NYTimes wrote:

[C]ities not widely considered gay meccas have seen a sharp increase in same-sex couples. Among them: Fort Worth; El Paso; Albuquerque; Louisville, Ky.; and Virginia Beach, according to census figures and extrapolations by Dr. Gates for The New York Times.

And where I live is the Highlands.

I live a five minute walk from Cherokee triangle.

Quote:

As of 2000, the population of Cherokee Triangle was 4,290 [3], of which 94.1% are white, 2.2% are listed as other, 2% are hispanic, & 1.7% are black. College graduates are 51.8% of the population, people w/o a high school degree are 5.9%. Females outnumber males 50.2% to 49.8%.

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