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seosan08
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Korea
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 Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:19 am Post subject: US-Japan Missile Defense Shield Test Fails |
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US-Japan missile defence shield 'fails'
A Japanese warship failed to shoot down a dummy missile in a test of a defence shield being developed with the United States to protect against a possible North Korean attack, officials said on Thursday.
20 Nov 2008
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/3488402/US-Japan-missile-defence-shield-fails.html
The Chokai destroyer tested the US-developed sea-to-air Standard Missile 3 (SM-3) off Hawaii on Wednesday but "failed to shoot down a dummy ballistic missile", the defence ministry said in a statement.
Washington and Tokyo have been working jointly to install a shield against possible attacks from North Korea, which fired a missile over Japan's main island in 1998 and tested an atom bomb in 2006.
Japan successfully tested the SM-3 interceptor in December from the Kongou destroyer in waters off Hawaii, becoming the first US ally to intercept a target using the system.
In September, Japan successfully tested the new US-developed Patriot Advanced Capability 3 (PAC-3), a surface-to-air missile that tracks and hits incoming targets.
Japan plans to complete its missile shield by early 2011, deploying the PAC-3 missiles at 11 bases and setting up SM-3 missiles on four Aegis warships.
Despite its pacifist constitution, Japan has the world's fifth biggest military budget and maintains more than 230,000 military personnel. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:45 am Post subject: |
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| OP: given that story's content, its title represents a farce and insults us. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| OP: given that story's content, its title represents a farce and insults us. |
Agreed. Seems the system has proven effective in other tests, but they are still not at 100%. Some kinks are still being worked out.
Contrary to what Putin had said some years ago, you can "shoot a bullet with a bullet". The system will continue to be refined. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:52 am Post subject: |
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| caniff wrote: |
| Gopher wrote: |
| OP: given that story's content, its title represents a farce and insults us. |
Agreed. Seems the system has proven effective in other tests, but they are still not at 100%. Some kinks are still being worked out.
Contrary to what Putin had said some years ago, you can "shoot a bullet with a bullet". The system will continue to be refined. |
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| would allow a single missile defense interceptor to smack down multiple targets. That's especially important if the ballistic missile shield is to work: In the real world, an incoming ballistic missile is likely to deploy decoys to 'fool' the interceptor. If a number of small, independently targeted kill vehicles can be packaged on an interceptor booster, it increases the likelihood that all the objects in a "threat cluster" can be destroyed |
http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/11/future-of-missi.html |
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Chris_Dixon
Joined: 09 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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| LOL if your happy with that success rate, and would like to have that protecting your country against ballistic missiles then fair enough, but imo its abit of a fail lol |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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Chris: this represents an R&D project and no one advocates deploying it as is.
On the other hand, many, apparently many like you, unreasonably seize on any failed test to advoctate shutting down the entire effort once-and-for-all. The Russian govt, too, consistently argues against any further steps toward developing this capability.
Why is that? What do you fear? |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Chris_Dixon wrote: |
| LOL if your happy with that success rate, and would like to have that protecting your country against ballistic missiles then fair enough, but imo its abit of a fail lol |
I'm with Gopher on this one. I would rather have one that works ok than nothing at all. And if they had that many tests end up a success, that is a pretty good thing. This can have many other applications too, with space junk starting to come down from orbit 
FOr seosan08. I'm just wondering how you didn't find a way to blame this test failure on gay people... |
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sharkey
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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| these things rarely work, waste of money, give the money to some american social programs |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Better yet: why not run for office and make it happen yourself, Sharkey? |
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sharkey
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| Better yet: why not run for office and make it happen yourself, Sharkey? |
cause i dont have 50,000 dollars needed to enter the liberal leadership race, if you want to lend me that money I would surely enter my name =) |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Where there is a will, there is a way. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 8:52 am Post subject: |
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| sharkey wrote: |
| these things rarely work, waste of money, give the money to some american social programs |
I'm curious what you mean by "these things" as last I checked, this is the first time in history someone has tried to create this. I guess some people might have tried to set up a sling shot defence system to ballista, but I don't know.
I feel this could actually have some very useful properties. It just sounds like you are the type to say stop exploring the Atlantic Ocean because it hasn't worked yet back in the 1500s... |
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sharkey
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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| laogaiguk wrote: |
| sharkey wrote: |
| these things rarely work, waste of money, give the money to some american social programs |
I'm curious what you mean by "these things" as last I checked, this is the first time in history someone has tried to create this. I guess some people might have tried to set up a sling shot defence system to ballista, but I don't know.
I feel this could actually have some very useful properties. It just sounds like you are the type to say stop exploring the Atlantic Ocean because it hasn't worked yet back in the 1500s... |
the fact that america is making this makes me feel uneasy about where they are headed. They seem paranoid to the max and the very fact that they are trying to build these anti missiles shields is a dark path they are leading the world. These missiles have failed numerous times, the patriot missiles have failed in Israel, Iraq, you name it. Waste of money for something that even if it does work, people will wish it didnt work ebcause they will be the ones alive during the nuclear winter, radiation in the wind, rain etc etc. Completely useless, but, it gives the americans comfort becuase its them vs us. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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| sharkey wrote: |
| laogaiguk wrote: |
| sharkey wrote: |
| these things rarely work, waste of money, give the money to some american social programs |
I'm curious what you mean by "these things" as last I checked, this is the first time in history someone has tried to create this. I guess some people might have tried to set up a sling shot defence system to ballista, but I don't know.
I feel this could actually have some very useful properties. It just sounds like you are the type to say stop exploring the Atlantic Ocean because it hasn't worked yet back in the 1500s... |
the fact that america is making this makes me feel uneasy about where they are headed. They seem paranoid to the max and the very fact that they are trying to build these anti missiles shields is a dark path they are leading the world. These missiles have failed numerous times, the patriot missiles have failed in Israel, Iraq, you name it. Waste of money for something that even if it does work, people will wish it didnt work ebcause they will be the ones alive during the nuclear winter, radiation in the wind, rain etc etc. Completely useless, but, it gives the americans comfort becuase its them vs us. |
Right, its completely irrational to build a nuclear missile shield in E. Europe and in Japan, because, you know, all the countries in those regions are responsible and int'l law-abiding. |
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sharkey
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| sharkey wrote: |
| laogaiguk wrote: |
| sharkey wrote: |
| these things rarely work, waste of money, give the money to some american social programs |
I'm curious what you mean by "these things" as last I checked, this is the first time in history someone has tried to create this. I guess some people might have tried to set up a sling shot defence system to ballista, but I don't know.
I feel this could actually have some very useful properties. It just sounds like you are the type to say stop exploring the Atlantic Ocean because it hasn't worked yet back in the 1500s... |
the fact that america is making this makes me feel uneasy about where they are headed. They seem paranoid to the max and the very fact that they are trying to build these anti missiles shields is a dark path they are leading the world. These missiles have failed numerous times, the patriot missiles have failed in Israel, Iraq, you name it. Waste of money for something that even if it does work, people will wish it didnt work ebcause they will be the ones alive during the nuclear winter, radiation in the wind, rain etc etc. Completely useless, but, it gives the americans comfort becuase its them vs us. |
Right, its completely irrational to build a nuclear missile shield in E. Europe and in Japan, because, you know, all the countries in those regions are responsible and int'l law-abiding. |
just becuase they arent doing what america tells them to do doesnt mean theyre breaking the law? |
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