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I'm no Picasso
Joined: 28 Oct 2008
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Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 9:17 pm Post subject: Can you teach the boys American culture? |
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Just started at a public middle school a month and a half ago, and things are going pretty well -- learning my way around keeping the boys from being bored to tears with the lame textbook and whatnot, slowly but surely.
My coteachers keep asking if I can start teaching the boys about American culture. That's all well and good and I would certainly love to introduce something a little more invigorating to the lessons, but the problem is.....
75% of my students still freeze up when I ask them, "How are you?" and the other 25% answer, "I'm fine, thanks. And you?" every time without fail. When I ask what they did this weekend, I get horrified confused faces, and even when I'm explaining that now they need to turn the page, they get confused. Their English is extremely, extremely basic.
Beyond that, when I try to explain simple differences I've noticed between American and Korean culture to my coteachers, they look completely bewildered, and often the response is, but why do you do it that way?
I'm all for working hard to meet what ever expectations are set before me, but I think the coteachers are over-shooting a bit with this one.... |
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The evil penguin

Joined: 24 May 2003 Location: Doing something naughty near you.....
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Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:36 am Post subject: |
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Not sure how to solve the students ability problem ( i teach university... although i do wonder how even some of my students scraped through elementary school) but would a dumbed down generic "Western Cultures" or even "world cultures" class be more useful than one specifically "american". Afterall, there's a whole world out there!!!
Even low level students might get a kick out of the world map and different flags etc. Even comparing things like differences between christmas traditions around the world (including comparing white christmases (is there a plurel of christmas???) complete with turkey and chestnuts in the UK and US to the frying beach prawns and beer summer christamases in Aust and NZ) could be interesting for the kids. |
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IAMAROBOT
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Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 2:02 am Post subject: |
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What's worked for my elementary school students is slideshows. Whenever a holiday rolls around, I compile pictures and describe very basically some of the things in the pictures. Usually, they already have a general idea of American holidays, and all you have to do is flesh it out a little more for them. Example: with Thanksgiving I just described the foods that go into a Thanksgiving dinner and the kids obviously understood that "turkey" obviously referred to the big bird in the middle, "cranberries" go into that reddish sauce, etc. |
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Tiger Beer

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Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 3:06 am Post subject: Re: Can you teach the boys American culture? |
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I'm no Picasso wrote: |
My coteachers keep asking if I can start teaching the boys about American culture. That's all well and good and I would certainly love to introduce something a little more invigorating to the lessons, but the problem is.....
75% of my students still freeze up when I ask them, "How are you?" and the other 25% answer, "I'm fine, thanks. And you?" every time without fail. When I ask what they did this weekend, I get horrified confused faces, and even when I'm explaining that now they need to turn the page, they get confused. Their English is extremely, extremely basic. |
Good luck with the American 'culture' asked of by your coteachers.
Sounds like your students need serious STRUCTURE and how to respond to questions. I think the problem is that with your questions, your students haven't learned yet how to properly respond.
I usually write down a list of possible answers they could give me when I ask a question, then practice it with them. Then put them in partners, and have them practice variation responses. I think that would be a good lesson in itself.
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With the confusion on 'turn the page'. Again, the English teacher needs to teach them that, which is your job (not their other teacher's jobs). So you'll have to do a lesson on 'classroom english'. Make a list of all the different things you might say, and then have some lesson where they are using it and responding to it with partners. |
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rationality
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I'm no Picasso
Joined: 28 Oct 2008
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Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 4:26 am Post subject: Re: Can you teach the boys American culture? |
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Tiger Beer wrote: |
I'm no Picasso wrote: |
My coteachers keep asking if I can start teaching the boys about American culture. That's all well and good and I would certainly love to introduce something a little more invigorating to the lessons, but the problem is.....
75% of my students still freeze up when I ask them, "How are you?" and the other 25% answer, "I'm fine, thanks. And you?" every time without fail. When I ask what they did this weekend, I get horrified confused faces, and even when I'm explaining that now they need to turn the page, they get confused. Their English is extremely, extremely basic. |
Good luck with the American 'culture' asked of by your coteachers.
Sounds like your students need serious STRUCTURE and how to respond to questions. I think the problem is that with your questions, your students haven't learned yet how to properly respond.
I usually write down a list of possible answers they could give me when I ask a question, then practice it with them. Then put them in partners, and have them practice variation responses. I think that would be a good lesson in itself.
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With the confusion on 'turn the page'. Again, the English teacher needs to teach them that, which is your job (not their other teacher's jobs). So you'll have to do a lesson on 'classroom english'. Make a list of all the different things you might say, and then have some lesson where they are using it and responding to it with partners. |
I start every class by asking, "How are you?" and when they all say, "I'm fine, thanks," I make other suggestions. "Everyone is fine?" This week of course, "Is anybody... cold?" or "Is anybody... tired?"
And of course, I did classroom English phrases. Gave 'em a handout to refer to and all. But when 20% of every class can't read the Roman alphabet, there's only so much you can do. Especially in 45 minutes every two weeks with 40 students in every class.
I think the main problem is that they assume they can't understand what I'm saying. I have a much larger success rate with having them understand me when I speak to students one-on-one and they have to concentrate because they're expected to respond. Most of what I say in front of the class seems to wash right over them though. That's why I try to focus on having them do exercises so I can walk around and talk to as many of them as possible.
I would really like to suggest an after school class for those boys who still can't read English, but I'm not entirely confident that I would be able to efficiently teach them this yet. I'm working on that, though. It's completely stupid to have them at this level in my class and unable to sound things out -- they can't possibly be getting anything out of it. And it really upsets me when I somehow manage to call on one of these kids to read an exercise out loud. |
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I'm no Picasso
Joined: 28 Oct 2008
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Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 4:29 am Post subject: |
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IAMAROBOT wrote: |
What's worked for my elementary school students is slideshows. Whenever a holiday rolls around, I compile pictures and describe very basically some of the things in the pictures. Usually, they already have a general idea of American holidays, and all you have to do is flesh it out a little more for them. Example: with Thanksgiving I just described the foods that go into a Thanksgiving dinner and the kids obviously understood that "turkey" obviously referred to the big bird in the middle, "cranberries" go into that reddish sauce, etc. |
Not a bad idea. Especially with the holidays coming up and the exams and all. Give them a little break from the monotony. |
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NoExplode

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Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 5:08 am Post subject: |
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If you talk about your culture, you'll notice the silence and seat squirming. Particularly if you've been here a while and can raise and compare aspects of their culture they really would prefer foreigners did not know.
It's a lose-lose. They'll egg you on to do it, but resent you when you do.
If you can't get around it, qualify each difference at the end of each sentence with a pause, then state: "...but Koreans do it better" or "... but I prefer the Korean way." |
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I'm no Picasso
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Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 5:52 am Post subject: |
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NoExplode wrote: |
If you talk about your culture, you'll notice the silence and seat squirming. Particularly if you've been here a while and can raise and compare aspects of their culture they really would prefer foreigners did not know.
It's a lose-lose. They'll egg you on to do it, but resent you when you do.
If you can't get around it, qualify each difference at the end of each sentence with a pause, then state: "...but Koreans do it better" or "... but I prefer the Korean way." |
There was an awkward moment with the coteachers while we were out to dinner with another American friend of mine. We were trying to explain how we feel a bit awkward in bars and tend to leave after a couple of drinks because we're used to going up to the bar and ordering at home, and we feel odd summoning the waitress. I specifically avoided using the word "rude". Just tried to explain that at home, it's the waiter's job to come by the table and make sure everyone has what they need, and that if you have to wave the waiter over, it's sort of like saying they're not doing their job. Blank/confused stares and squirming all around. At which point I just said that the Korean way was probably more efficient and we moved on. |
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I'm no Picasso
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Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 6:04 am Post subject: |
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The evil penguin wrote: |
Not sure how to solve the students ability problem ( i teach university... although i do wonder how even some of my students scraped through elementary school) but would a dumbed down generic "Western Cultures" or even "world cultures" class be more useful than one specifically "american". Afterall, there's a whole world out there!!!
Even low level students might get a kick out of the world map and different flags etc. Even comparing things like differences between christmas traditions around the world (including comparing white christmases (is there a plurel of christmas???) complete with turkey and chestnuts in the UK and US to the frying beach prawns and beer summer christamases in Aust and NZ) could be interesting for the kids. |
I think they're just focused on the American thing because that's what I am, and I guess that's part of the appeal in having a foreign teacher in the first place. It's just that I try to limit my time in front of the class lecturing as much as possible, because it's hard for them to concentrate that hard on someone speaking English for very long.
The other problem is that I'm dealing with thirteen/fourteen year old boys. It's hard to get them truly excited about just about anything, other than computer games, baseball and wrestling. Using John Cena's photo on a handout to explain "professional", as in "professional wrestling" went over a treat though. |
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little mixed girl
Joined: 11 Jun 2003 Location: shin hyesung's bed~
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Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 7:30 am Post subject: |
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i think what you should do is make a simple powerpoint or slide show.
for example, talk about middle/high school in the US. the types of things you studied, what was allowed and what wasn't allowed in class, etc.
use simple english and talk slowly and clearly.
as to them answering questions, yeah they know "i'm fine, thank you", but why not try do something a little different when they ask "..and you?"
ie- "i'm cold" and do a little shiver or something to show that you're cold, then ask them "are you cold?" |
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nebraska1

Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Location: Judge, Some people just need killin!
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Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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I did this in my former school. Since I am an American I taught mostly American culture. But I also had a good time with showing Christmas in New Zedland and Nebraska...frozen tundra versus spending the day at the beach. (have a great friend who is a Kiwi and she helped me with her family's traditions at Christmas.) Talked about crackers, boxing day (something of mystery to me) It was great.
The secret with boys if they are over the age of 1 is .......FOOD!
We made Easter eggs. Had an Egg Hunt. I focused on the egg and rabbit part not the religious part. Had Mom send some cheapish chocolate eggs and we made a class Easter Basket.
We had a full on weenie roast for 4th of July and played baseball and shot off firecrackers. (summer camp)
Halloween was amazing! And Thanksgiving was easy as it was easy to compare to Chusok. Brought cranberry sauce and pumpkin pie. (Yeah Costco!)
All of this was proceeded by a full on lesson, cloze exercises, learning key phrases and a lot of fun.
Boys in particular need things they can "do". We made instant pudding, peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. Which they had to make recipe cards. This devolved into insanity but hey if they want to eat chocolate pudding on their peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, who am I to complain.
We made pinata's at Christmas...holy hell mess but fun. Surprisingly I had a good many artistic students so we made holiday decorations and the school invested in the glitter glue and I had my Mom send me some she bought in bulk and I had the best decorated class room ever. Parents received Christmas cards in English that are probably still shedding glitter.
I loved it.
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I'm no Picasso
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Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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nebraska1 wrote: |
I did this in my former school. Since I am an American I taught mostly American culture. But I also had a good time with showing Christmas in New Zedland and Nebraska...frozen tundra versus spending the day at the beach. (have a great friend who is a Kiwi and she helped me with her family's traditions at Christmas.) Talked about crackers, boxing day (something of mystery to me) It was great.
The secret with boys if they are over the age of 1 is .......FOOD!
We made Easter eggs. Had an Egg Hunt. I focused on the egg and rabbit part not the religious part. Had Mom send some cheapish chocolate eggs and we made a class Easter Basket.
We had a full on weenie roast for 4th of July and played baseball and shot off firecrackers. (summer camp)
Halloween was amazing! And Thanksgiving was easy as it was easy to compare to Chusok. Brought cranberry sauce and pumpkin pie. (Yeah Costco!)
All of this was proceeded by a full on lesson, cloze exercises, learning key phrases and a lot of fun.
Boys in particular need things they can "do". We made instant pudding, peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. Which they had to make recipe cards. This devolved into insanity but hey if they want to eat chocolate pudding on their peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, who am I to complain.
We made pinata's at Christmas...holy hell mess but fun. Surprisingly I had a good many artistic students so we made holiday decorations and the school invested in the glitter glue and I had my Mom send me some she bought in bulk and I had the best decorated class room ever. Parents received Christmas cards in English that are probably still shedding glitter.
I loved it.
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Food is a really, really excellent idea.
The truth is, I'm still getting my bearings about me with being a classroom teacher in general (taught ESL to adults one-on-one back home -- entirely different ballgame), but as soon as I feel I have gained enough respect (haha) in the classroom to keep things from disintegrating into total chaos, I am definitely going to introduce this method.
Also: Costco has pumpkin pie?!? I was just lamenting this as the one reason I was sad not to be home for Thanksgiving..... |
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moosehead

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Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 3:22 am Post subject: |
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Ks will in general say anything in order to give you orders just to make sure you know who is who
just ignore what they ask - or say yeah ok and then teach the best you can -
mostly I manage to teach E despite the K teachers best attempts at trying to see me fail - which sometimes I swear is their goal.
I mean why else would they choose such miserable books to use?
ahem, but I digress - OP - try Google, Images and then search for whatever it is you might think would interest your class - you can find all kinds of American holiday pictures there - the class will love them and you can encourage their conversation skills, point out certain vocabulary, etc.
good luck ! |
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Big Mac
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Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 3:29 am Post subject: |
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I've always found that Korean students are not interested in any other culture than their own. I don't really bother mentioning my own culture anymore. All I get are glazed eyes and looks of "who cares?"
Koreans are kind of like most Americans in this regard. They're too into themselves to care what happens in the rest of the world. |
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