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Ahh, so this is why North Korea can make a decent beer...
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jkelly80



Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?

PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:
sojourner1 wrote:
That is so odd that North Korea would be into good brew while the rich affluent South has a taste for the world's worst brew.


Look at where all these countries got their beer influence from. Japan and China both learnt everything they know about beer from the Germans. The North Koreans, apparently England. The South Koreans? The US.

And I'm not saying that American beer is all crap; from what I've heard they have a ton of microbreweries. But their mainstream beer is the worst, and that's the model Korean beers use. In fact, Budweiser is considered a domestic here.

To most Koreans probably the idea of microbreweries makes no sense. The best must be the most popular, because it is the most profitable.


At SOME places, it's a domestic, but then other US mass market crap beers are premium. I've seen bottles of Coors Light for 6500 at more than a few places. It's horrifying.
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HapKi



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most Bud in Korea IS domestic, as it's made here.
Don't quote me, though.
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patongpanda



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If Hite and Cass don't use hops, are they really beer?

If they don't use hops what process do they use to make it?

Jeez which Korea is the commie one I think I might've gone to the wrong one...
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jdog2050



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

patongpanda wrote:
If Hite and Cass don't use hops, are they really beer?

If they don't use hops what process do they use to make it?

Jeez which Korea is the commie one I think I might've gone to the wrong one...


To be fair, hops is a recent addition to beer. That said, it's still no excuse. I've been reading up on this, and apparently, not only do they not add hops, but they also cut the wort with rice or corn. *beep*...corn in my beer too!

Apparently prime max is the only beer that's 100% Barley malt. Insane.
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RACETRAITOR



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HapKi wrote:
Most Bud in Korea IS domestic, as it's made here.
Don't quote me, though.


It is domestic. I went to a bar on the weekend with beer from all over the world, categorised by nation. Can you guess which country Budweiser was listed in?
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JungMin



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jdog2050 wrote:
Apparently prime max is the only beer that's 100% Barley malt. Insane.


True.
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crazy_arcade



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NoExplode wrote:
jdog2050 wrote:
greekvvedge wrote:
it's gone.


My theory, and I could be wrong, is that they don't use hops, so it's really just malt liquor. Is that wrong?


Right and wrong. South Korean beer doesn't use hops, but that has nothing to do with malt liquor.

Malt liquor is simply beer with a high alcohol content.


Max uses Cascade hops. It's easily the best beer in the south.
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Ultimo Hombre



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jdog2050 wrote:


To be fair, hops is a recent addition to beer.



What do you mean by new? Like to Korea?
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ghohn



Joined: 08 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ultimo Hombre wrote:
jdog2050 wrote:


To be fair, hops is a recent addition to beer.


What do you mean by new? Like to Korea?


I was thinking the same thing. The addition of hops to beer is hardly new. It's been several hundred years established.

I think it's important, as several other posters have mentioned, that we shouldn't lump all American beer as animal piss. As truthfully horrendous as the mainstay's such as Bud, Coors etc are, there are hundreds of quality brews made in the NW portion of the United States that are of top notch caliber.

Sierra Nevada Pale
Alaskan Amber
Widmer Hef
Deschutes Black Butte Porter

I could literally continue for days ...

If I had to pick a region of the world known for pumping out quality beers I'd say NW USA or Belgium. Slight nod goes to NW US because of the variety but no beer in the world beats Westmalle. I would literally take a man's life right now for a Westmalle ... and a buritto! Where is the Mexican food in this country!?!?!?
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ghohn



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ultimo Hombre wrote:
jdog2050 wrote:


To be fair, hops is a recent addition to beer.


What do you mean by new? Like to Korea?


I was thinking the same thing. The addition of hops to beer is hardly new. It's been several hundreds of years established.

I think it's important, as several other posters have mentioned, that we shouldn't lump all American beer as animal piss. As truthfully horrendous as the mainstay's such as Bud, Coors etc are, there are hundreds of quality brews made in the NW portion of the United States that are of top notch caliber.

Sierra Nevada Pale
Alaskan Amber
Widmer Hef
Deschutes Black Butte Porter

I could literally continue for days ...

If I had to pick a region of the world known for pumping out quality beers, I'd say NW USA or Belgium. Slight nod goes to NW US because of the variety but no beer in the world beats Westmalle. I would literally take a man's life right now for a Westmalle ... and a burrito! Where is the Mexican food in this country!?!?!?
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Ultimo Hombre



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, there are plenty of Mexican food places around Seoul. Not all of them are worth the breath it takes to mention them, but they are here.

Microbrews are the best!
Northeast USA has lots of great ones as well. Hell, almost any town in America has decent microbrews popping up left and right.
They don't hold a candle to PBR though (joke).
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jdog2050



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ghohn wrote:
Ultimo Hombre wrote:
jdog2050 wrote:


To be fair, hops is a recent addition to beer.


What do you mean by new? Like to Korea?


I was thinking the same thing. The addition of hops to beer is hardly new. It's been several hundred years established.

I think it's important, as several other posters have mentioned, that we shouldn't lump all American beer as animal piss. As truthfully horrendous as the mainstay's such as Bud, Coors etc are, there are hundreds of quality brews made in the NW portion of the United States that are of top notch caliber.

Sierra Nevada Pale
Alaskan Amber
Widmer Hef
Deschutes Black Butte Porter

I could literally continue for days ...

If I had to pick a region of the world known for pumping out quality beers I'd say NW USA or Belgium. Slight nod goes to NW US because of the variety but no beer in the world beats Westmalle. I would literally take a man's life right now for a Westmalle ... and a buritto! Where is the Mexican food in this country!?!?!?


Oh, by "new" I literally did mean like middle ages. Considering we've been gettin' drunk for like 3 or 4000 years, that's "new".
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keseki



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so i was at this observation post near paju last weekend and picked up 2 bottles of this beer. had one last night and boy is it good!!

now im wondering if i can get this anywhere in seoul?? i dont want to make the trek to paju to pick up more bottles.

anyone got the skinny??
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sojourner1



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You got North Korean beer in Paju? Did it excessively dry you out and induce more severe hangover like South Korean and Chinese beers commonly do? I write long on this since I've really learned a lot about beer in my time and this is one serious issue in Asia though we're not going to change it. All you can do is steer clear of things you don't like.

Thing that really ruins Asian beers is they're using some chemicals to speed the brewing process and possibly to stretch the product further to increase profit margins. It could be the excessive use of fertilizers and pesticide before the stuff even makes it to the breweries. Tsing Tao was discovered to be badly polluted brew 10 years ago, but claim now to import their ingredients from Australia which I highly doubt as it's worse than Korean beer still yet. Perhaps it's also something to increase the perception of alcohol doing it's thing on your body, but it excessively dries you out and makes you more hungover than necessary. While the recipes are trade secret in Asia and America, it's obvious to experienced beer drinkers that something is wrong when you get excessive hangover and thirst causing you to piss 4 liters and still be thirsty cotton mouth as can be after you quit drinking it of a night and then feel like your heart is not working right temporarily for a day or two after consuming the toxin. I can drink only 2, 3, or 4 small Korean or Chinese beers and end up with a headache before I even go to bed and piss 4 liters with severe dehydration and next day heart feeling while I could drink 6 German beers and barely have a hangover pissing only 2 liters with slight thirst with no strange heart functioning feelings. I drank as much water immediately as I pissed in both cases due to thirst, but the Asian brews notably induce uncomfortable heart feeling for the following 1 to 3 days. I learned my lesson with these Asian beers, except Angkor Wat beer in Cambodia is very decent quality, but not available anywhere else.

The German beers are well known for being the highest quality due to beer purity laws since the 1500's looking out for the public's' health to ensure beer is only natural beer; not garbage. The Germans also brought beer to Asia over 100 years ago establishing breweries like Tsing Tao, but the recipe has been changed since. German beer actually lists the ingredients and it's only malted barley, hops, yeast and water. You don't need or want other additives commonly found in Asian and cheap American brews. The diuretic qualities of sickening poison of sort is worse in Asian brew. I just can't get over how they accept and use such low quality. It also reflects in the shoddy quality of work the Chinese do. Why do they charge 3,250 Won a 330ml bottle of Tsing Tao in Korea? It's over stated for what it is. The Tsing Tao literally has a dirty smoky odor and flavor and it only takes a couple bottles of the crap sewage quality brew to make you sick. I know these sorts of beers are not safe products and are only trying to mimic what real beer actually is in a real cheap dirty way.

I'm just wondering how the Chinese and Koreans are finding these to be good beer products they have in their market. It's really garbage quality, but they seem to love a garbage cheap quality lifestyle lined veneered in sparkling high class high quality style. I didn't find the Thai beer to be all that good, but it seems to have less of the diuretic inducing chemical. We know alcohol is a diuretic, but some brews like those in the Korean and Chinese markets have extra ingredients that act as diuretics and poison leading to a more severe hangover. It's like they add something to make the alcohol simulate more effects from the alcohol or it's just a byproduct found in cheap quality brew. Something is badly wrong if a brewery has to keep the list of ingredients a secret and deceive you with marketing like, "naturally fresh," and then you end up excessively ill from drinking it.

If you don't have good beer right now, then it's well worth it to wait it out until you can get some decent beer rather than trying to enjoy something like Tsing Tao, Korean brewed Heinekin, and those other common beers. Lesson learned. Bad quality chemical laden brew is definitely something so obvious to me that Korea and China needs to look into if they care about their health. I found the Thai also to be kinda cheap in their lifestyle too when I partied with them in that they drank cheap stuff which is not natural good quality brew. Of course, most people are not making as much as $2000 a month and drink what is cheap so they become victims of the bad brew. Cheap brew thrives on herd mentality of Asian cultures as a connoisseur like me is not easily duped after 2 times. It also thrives on blue collar Americans going to happy hour after work such as my older brother who is only 39, but seems to be 59.
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keseki



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i only had one bottle of it last night. it was not nearly enough for hangover material but i know what you mean about the korean beers drying you out and leaving you with a crazy headache the next day.
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