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Perceptioncheck

Joined: 13 Oct 2008

Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:20 pm Post subject:

Cornfed wrote:

Perceptioncheck wrote:

"Quiet a few" is hardly conclusive. I'd even go as far as calling it unscientific.

Here's another couple of links for you.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/women-are-more-violent-says-study-622388.html
http://news.ufl.edu/2006/07/13/women-attackers/

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From what I gather from the article, she was basing her research on respondents answers.

Confidential surveys are generally thought of as the most reliable way to gather this kind of data since other sources are subject to skewed reporting, non-uniform reporting, mis-reporting and so on. Incidentally, I take it you have extensive, documented evidence for your belief that men commit more spousal abuse, rather than being just simple bigotry and hatred on your part?

First of all, I'm not a bigot and filled with hatred. Truth be told, (and if I'm in the mood) I quite like men. Wink

Second of all, confidential serveys are also subject to skewed reporting. The fact that a third of her respondents were from prison also, I feel, tips the balance in favour of more violent women. Is a third of the countries female population in prison? Not last time I checked. Therefore the results from her research are not representive of the population as a whole.

I'm simply asking for conclusive evidence that women are more violent than men, as you so vehmenently claim. You have yet to supply that proof; BB has made some very good points that question the validity of the arguements put forth in your links.

I'm not saying that women aren't violent. I used to live in a poor socio-economic area and there was a lot of violence from men, women, children and even the family pets. What I am saying is you have yet to convince me that women are more violent than men.

But I am beginning to think you're a troll anyway. Surely nobody real can be so full of "simple bigotry and hatred" as you so charmingly put it.

caniff

Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map

Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:38 pm Post subject:

Worst/Best thread ever..(or at least it's heading in that direction)

Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...

Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 10:07 pm Post subject:

Koveras wrote:

Big_Bird wrote:

Cornfed wrote:

Big_Bird wrote:

Yes, and you will usually find that while those men kill their wives after years of violently abusing them, those women tend to kill their husbands after suffering years of terrible abuse

What evidence are you basing that on? None whatsoever, right? You are like the gender equivilent of the KKK. Doesn't matter who does what to whom, the man is always wrong, even if he is brutally murdered. Would it surprise you if I were able to find a study showing that when women murder their husbands, the husband's death invariably puts them in a better financial position - thay they have an uncanny knack of avoiding having to "defend themselves" or "retaliate" against their mealticket?

Like I said, you should put your sons up for adoption. This is another reason I think Western women shouldn't raise children. Even if they don't assault them, in the case of boys it's like a black kid being raised by the KKK.

You're cute.

I'm sure there are studies that support what I've said, but it would be a poor use of my scarce time to hunt them down. Perhaps another day.

Cornfed is winning.

Er....really? Winning the race to the madhouse, or winning the award for 'Dave's most dedicated troll'?

Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...

Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 10:13 pm Post subject:

Perceptioncheck wrote:

But I am beginning to think you're a troll anyway. Surely nobody real can be so full of "simple bigotry and hatred" as you so charmingly put it.

I can never decide. Is he a troll, or is he seriously teetering on the edge of sanity? Either way, I tend to ignore his silly buggery. Yesterday I had some extra time on my hands, however. Smile

OneWayTraffic

Joined: 14 Mar 2005

Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 11:09 pm Post subject:

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However, I still don't think that most Western women should be in contact with children given that 40 years of feminaziism has turned them into irresponsible psychopaths, so they represent a bad influence.

This is lazy thinking. You're lumping roughly half of the western world into one group and giving that group the label of "irresponsible psychopaths." Of couse I could use worse terms than 'lazy.'

Now since most western children are being brought up by "irresponsible pscychopaths", how can you seriously claim that: "That doesn't of course mean that all or most women are likely to assault children"

Surely if you seriously hold the former true, you should also hold true the later.

Perceptioncheck

Joined: 13 Oct 2008

Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 11:18 pm Post subject:

^^ ah, but that's far too logical for our resident woman-hater. He won't like that at all.

Big_Bird wrote:

Perceptioncheck wrote:

But I am beginning to think you're a troll anyway. Surely nobody real can be so full of "simple bigotry and hatred" as you so charmingly put it.

I can never decide. Is he a troll, or is he seriously teetering on the edge of sanity? Either way, I tend to ignore his silly buggery. Yesterday I had some extra time on my hands, however. Smile

Hmm. Instead of debating whether or not most women are physcotic and not fit to raise children, perhaps we should debate whether or not Cornfed is real or not. (I also have a lot of time on my hands at the moment; hurrah for exam time!) My money is, sadly, on real; perhaps he started off as an innocent troll but got captivated by subject matter until it all became a little bit too real. Laughing

It frightens me that there are people like this out there. Thank god he has the internet where he can let off steam.

Cornfed

Joined: 14 Mar 2008

Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 11:28 pm Post subject:

OneWayTraffic wrote:

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This is lazy thinking. You're lumping roughly half of the western world into one group and giving that group the label of "irresponsible psychopaths." Of couse I could use worse terms than 'lazy.'

Gosh, and to think I also lump almost all Asians into one group and give them the label "people with black hair". Also "lazy thinking" I guess, or is it just stating the f'ing obvious?

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Now since most western children are being brought up by "irresponsible pscychopaths", how can you seriously claim that: "That doesn't of course mean that all or most women are likely to assault children"

If you understood anything about psychopaths you would realize that their psychopathy tends to manifest itself in different ways depending on thier environment and what is in their best interests. They can be road hogs, fraudsters, deadbeats, false accusers etc. ect. in addition to being violent. I suggest you educate yourself on the subject. In any case, as Western society and Western women sink further into the sewer, I predict that their psychopathic nature will indeed manifest itself as outright violence with increasing frequency.

yawarakaijin

Joined: 08 Aug 2006

Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 11:35 pm Post subject:

To be honest, I'm curious as to what kind of life events transpired to turn Cornfed into the man he is today. People just don't get that way by accident.

Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...

Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 2:18 am Post subject:

Perceptioncheck wrote:

^^ ah, but that's far too logical for our resident woman-hater. He won't like that at all.

Big_Bird wrote:

Perceptioncheck wrote:

But I am beginning to think you're a troll anyway. Surely nobody real can be so full of "simple bigotry and hatred" as you so charmingly put it.

I can never decide. Is he a troll, or is he seriously teetering on the edge of sanity? Either way, I tend to ignore his silly buggery. Yesterday I had some extra time on my hands, however. Smile

It frightens me that there are people like this out there. Thank god he has the internet where he can let off steam.

I've wondered for ages whether or not he is 'for real.' In support of the troll theory is the sheer absurdity of many of his claims. It's so over the top you really question his belief in what he says. Sometimes he's quite funny. I had to laugh at comparison he made of me parenting boys and the kkk fostering black children. In support of the 'for real' theory though is his absolute obsession with his subject matter, and the extent of thought he has clearly given it.

Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...

Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 2:20 am Post subject:

yawarakaijin wrote:

To be honest, I'm curious as to what kind of life events transpired to turn Cornfed into the man he is today.

People just don't get that way by accident.

His mum/sister/wife abused him? The pretty girls wouldn't give him the time of day? He met a woman as thoroughly unpleasant as himself?

OneWayTraffic

Joined: 14 Mar 2005

Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 5:59 am Post subject:

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Gosh, and to think I also lump almost all Asians into one group and give them the label "people with black hair". Also "lazy thinking" I guess, or is it just stating the f'ing obvious?

Except that one is a truth shared by all non blind, and the other seems to be an opinion held by you and you alone. By your reasoning I could say pretty much anything I like about any group I like and justify myself by comparing it to Asians having black hair.

Now if you could point me in the direction of studies showing that in excess of 50% of western woman hold psychopathic tendencies?

OneWayTraffic

Joined: 14 Mar 2005

Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:07 am Post subject:

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Well according to the Wikipedia article, about 1% of the general population are psycopaths. I'm sure that some of them are women. However even if all are women, 1% is a long way short of all women isn't it?

Now some published studies please. Or are you just going to generalise about all women, because your mommy didn't breast feed you as a child?

bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007

Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:30 am Post subject:

Big_Bird wrote:

...it is men who overwhelmingly commit abuse of a sexual or violent nature. While the other kinds of abuse are not to be sniffed at, violence and sexual abuse are the types of abuse I most fear as a parent. Therefore, to minimise risk, if given a choice of gender and all other things being equal, I would choose the woman

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At no time did I say that all men abuse kids.

I never said you said "all men abuse kids." I said you suspect men of sex abuse which is clear from what you wrote above. Use that dictionary you keep talking about to see that "suspect" does NOT mean "everybody definitely."

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If he is the kind of guy you want to ally yourself to, that says a lot about you.

Association fallacy.

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So many men's suspicions of other men also figure in the 'calculus of depriving my sons of male role models.'

I never said that this male-bashing, witchhunt attitude against men was limited to women. It has become an ingrained, societal thing by now so certainly there are men who have bought into it as well. It is toxic wherever it is found and needs to be countered.

The paucity of your argument is underscored by your continual need to hurl invective at whoever disagrees with you.

bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007

Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:52 am Post subject:

OneWayTraffic wrote:

Probably the single most useful factor in predicting child abuse is the existence of abuse in the perpretrators own childhood.

This is most certainly not true in the case of child sex abuse.

Known in the literature as the "abused abuser" or "vampire" hypothesis, it has been demonstrated not to hold up when large numbers of cases are subjected to careful scrutiny. See Garland, R. J., Dougher, M. J., (1990) The Abused/Abuser Hypothesis of Child Sexual Abuse.

Perceptioncheck

Joined: 13 Oct 2008

Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 2:17 pm Post subject:

bacasper wrote:

Big_Bird wrote:

and

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At no time did I say that all men abuse kids.

Er, actually the part about how it's men who overwhelmingly commit abuse of a sexual or violent nature is taken out of context. In fact, she was quoting YOUR article, which you used to assert that women are the perpetrators in 60% of abuse cases.

Do you even read the links that you post?

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