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Newcomers: why do you want to work in Korea for $9 / hour?
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EzeWong



Joined: 26 Mar 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with mostly what others have said,

I'll just add, Korea's an adventure. I think while people are young and have the ability, they should go out and see the world even it's for dimes and nickels.

On the advice of my very wise uncle, the best times of your life are when you're remembering back to the time you went to a foreign country for 1 year and experinced "That CRAZY thing that happened to you in ___" You don't really remince about your 9-5 job putting quality standards in a TPS report for a software company...

I think a lot of us forget this is the real reason we came to Korea. Sure the money's bad but you can't really put a price on happiness or new experience.
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jcmarsha



Joined: 09 Nov 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Newcomers: why do you want to work in Korea for $9 / hou Reply with quote

wayfarer wrote:
There's pension and severance too but a great many of you will never see that money, even if you don't go mad and leave before finishing your twelve-month stretch.



what makes you think we won't see that money?
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English Matt



Joined: 12 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you've also got to take into account the lower cost of living and lower taxes. If you're making $9 an hour in the US, you'll see less of that in your net earnings than you will in Korea. The costs of eating out at restaurants, catching cabs, sporting events, etc are all pretty low here to be honest.

Whilst it isn't necessarily the best time to come here if you are American and need to send large amounts of money home on a regular basis, for people from other countries (particularly New Zealand and South Africa at the moment) it is still worth it.

Also, 2 million a month tends to be the base salary for Public Schools. And these jobs tend to offer you extra classes that bump your pay up to around 2.3mil a month (excluding housing). Those newbies looking for work with a hagwon should have no difficulty finding 2.2mil or even 2.3mil per month.

As has also been mentioned...you can't look at everything in terms of financial reward, and the lifestyle afforded to us by (some of) these jobs is certainly something that adds value to them.
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marlow



Joined: 06 Feb 2005

PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

China's a great experience, too. If a person doesn't care about money wouldn't it be a better choice? Better for language and food and places to go.
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Adventurer



Joined: 28 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sarbonn wrote:
I'm thinking that $9.37 and hour has to sound a lot better than $0 an hour if they're having trouble finding a job. And your post assumes the won will NEVER get better. Before I came here, it was great. Now it sucks. That tells me that it fluctuates, which means that it's quite possible it might be good again. It's not like Korea is doing worse than the rest of the world. The rest of the world is doing as crappy as is Korea, so the fluctuation can happen or it may not happen. But that person taking the job at $9.37 an hour may find himself or herself making $13 an hour a few months from now. Or making $2 an hour. It's really hard to tell, and no two economists will agree one way or the other.


When did you come on board? The won has been going down and down for many, many months. It's been going down for over one year.
I remember when it used to be 932-938 won to a US dollar.

Anyway, I understand why some veterans would be questioning the wisdom of newbies coming here. However, the economy in the US is horrible, and there aren't tons of newbies coming, even then.
You don't have to pay for rent which can cost you 500 bucks or 700 bucks in some places. You don't have car repairs and what have you.
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MUOhio82



Joined: 25 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bogey666 wrote:
MUOhio82 wrote:
Well I can't speak for the men, but I know why the women come

1. The absolutely beauty of the Korean men
2. The lush variety of shopping. The diverse sizes and the ability to find ANYTHING.
3. The great personal hygiene products, like tampons and Midol

Seriously though, who knows. Maybe lots of new teachers are blind and dead and they can't see and hear about the exchange rate. Or some recruiter told them Korea was a beautiful and harmonious experience with a culture so different from out own. Maybe they think they're going to get off the plane and be greeted by Koreans in Hanbok with steaming bowls of Kimchi....... I mean, that's what MY recruiter told me, so imagine my shock...



errr...
ummm..

with all due respect.

(because I'm partial to full figured Amazons Smile

you believed what your RECRUITER told you?
I double and triple checked everything mine told me, because they are essentially salespeople and I trust those as far as I can throw them (in some cases, that might be pretty far LOL )

why didn't you use this forum (and others Web resources) to do your own research?



Actually, as part Amazonian myself, that entire post was sort of a JOKE. I spent about 4 months prior to coming here researching my brains out, and was fully prepared when I got here. I didn't believe what anyone told me, and I was still a little shocked when I got here even though I came with a years supply of tampons...

Seriously, can a person not JOKE anymore?!
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English Matt



Joined: 12 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Newcomers: why do you want to work in Korea for $9 / hou Reply with quote

jcmarsha wrote:
wayfarer wrote:
There's pension and severance too but a great many of you will never see that money, even if you don't go mad and leave before finishing your twelve-month stretch.



what makes you think we won't see that money?


I think he's referring to those hagwon owners who try and screw their employees out of their severance and pension. There're a lot of stories on Dave's about hagwon owners who don't even pay into the pension plans, and I've certainly met a few teachers here who this is happening to. Also, though rarer it is certainly still common for hagwon owners to withold the severance pay for a variety of reasons.
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Mr-Dokdo



Joined: 16 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Newcomers: why do you want to work in Korea for $9 / hou Reply with quote

wayfarer wrote:
post is more relevant to North Americans, but:

average salary 2 mil + free housing = about 2.3 million won
2.3 at current exchange rate = 1500 USD
1,500 USD into about 160 hours at your school every month = $9.37 dollars per hour

There's pension and severance too but a great many of you will never see that money, even if you don't go mad and leave before finishing your twelve-month stretch.

My question is more sincere than it might seem- I'm just wondering, what in particular attracts you to Korea, specifically?


$9 per hour beats $0 per hour. To that add good food, a booze-friendly culture, and plenty of p**sy.
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sarbonn



Joined: 14 Oct 2008
Location: Michigan

PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Newcomers: why do you want to work in Korea for $9 / hou Reply with quote

Mr-Dokdo wrote:
To that add good food, a booze-friendly culture, and plenty of p**sy.


I haven't seen ANY of that last part of what you said. I keep asking the girls, and they keep saying no. Or actually, they're saying "Ne", which I'm interpreting to mean no. I still haven't figured out why they look at me so strangely when I walk away, disappointed.
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xingyiman



Joined: 12 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Newcomers: why do you want to work in Korea for $9 / hou Reply with quote

Mr-Dokdo wrote:
wayfarer wrote:
post is more relevant to North Americans, but:

average salary 2 mil + free housing = about 2.3 million won
2.3 at current exchange rate = 1500 USD
1,500 USD into about 160 hours at your school every month = $9.37 dollars per hour

There's pension and severance too but a great many of you will never see that money, even if you don't go mad and leave before finishing your twelve-month stretch.

My question is more sincere than it might seem- I'm just wondering, what in particular attracts you to Korea, specifically?


$9 per hour beats $0 per hour. To that add good food, a booze-friendly culture, and plenty of p**sy.


Uh....Mr Dokdo you're forgetting that all the Dave's trolls have 6 figure jobs waiting for them in their home countries.
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littlelisa



Joined: 12 Jun 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I expect with my salary that I will save a good deal over 1mil won a month. My salary (of the job I finally signed for) is more than your guess of 2.0, my housing probably would cost more than your guess of .3mil It definitely would be more than that in Montreal if I stayed here.

I have a job here and I'm saving money. I want to go back to Seoul because I want to go back to Seoul. Money has nothing to do with it.

I can live comforably, I'll be where I want to be, I'll be doing work I love doing. Why does it seem so crazy?

I also expect that eventually the won will improve. I'm not in a rush. As long as I'm happy, that's the most important thing.


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asams



Joined: 17 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

here's my rationale for going to korea (I'll be leaving in about 2 weeks):

I've never been out of the US, and I really haven't done much travelling inside the US. I just graduate college and never got the opportunity to study abroad. I see this as an opportunity to explore a different country and culture, while also not being a complete bum and getting paid while doing so.

Second, I've come to realize that, in North Carolina, most of the job openings are in insurance sales (something I have no desire to do, especially with the economy the way it is). I realize I have to start somewhere, but after reading this website, I've come to find that many of you feel that you are entitled to something.
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xingyiman



Joined: 12 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Newcomers: why do you want to work in Korea for $9 / hou Reply with quote

sarbonn wrote:
Mr-Dokdo wrote:
To that add good food, a booze-friendly culture, and plenty of p**sy.


I haven't seen ANY of that last part of what you said. I keep asking the girls, and they keep saying no. Or actually, they're saying "Ne", which I'm interpreting to mean no. I still haven't figured out why they look at me so strangely when I walk away, disappointed.


It's not you sarbonn. It's a normal reaction that one has to get used to here and a guy's looks have nothing to do with it. When I first came to Korea it was during one of those avalanches of newbies who think because Korean gals tell them they're handsome that they really mean it (see some of my past threads on the Asian "public" and "private" opinions).
I was really depressed because I kept reading on Dave's about all these English teachers who were getting laid left and right every night and my experience was far from that.
After the months go by and lots of these "studs" discover that the K-gals have no intention of leting them get off first base then the tone of cock strutting on the forums change and the threads seeking advice from those much hated "veterans" appear.
I knew lots of guys who were claiming to have gone the limit but actually later admitted that they had come up empty handed like most people. I had a friend who actually had a VERY attractive Korean GF and he told me she really wasn't worth all the effort. Yes you can achieve success with a Korean gal but it's not going to be a cakewalk and it's not going to happen overnight.
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bogey666



Joined: 17 Mar 2008
Location: Korea, the ass free zone

PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:

Actually, as part Amazonian myself, that entire post was sort of a JOKE.

Seriously, can a person not JOKE anymore?!


yeah I knew that hence my comment because you posted your pic here, remember? Smile

had no way of knowing to what extent (if any) you were joking.

I'm beginning to realize (the obvious), which is your location really has a LOT to do with a lot of these matters.

I don't think you could pay me enough to live out in the boonies or in rural/provincial Korea. Of course my area is industrial, but factory/blue collar and decidedly unattractive with almost nothing to do.

I'm slowly beating it into my brain that taking the subway to "civilization" (or something more resembling civilization as I know it) is worthwhile, even if lengthy, annoying and a general pain in the ass.
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep

PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do they still come? Because 9 United States Of America Dollars goes a long way in Korea. Well, it would if we lived in the 1970s, I betcha.


Oh, and these "I'm here for the lifestyle" responses are darn cute.
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