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Can I still get my pension if I bail?
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fakeplastiktree



Joined: 15 Oct 2007
Location: Northeast Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 10:58 pm    Post subject: Can I still get my pension if I bail? Reply with quote

I'm in an extremely sticky situation with my employer. I've only got a couple months left on my contract and they're trying to screw me out of money.

Anyway, without getting into all the details, I'm just wondering -- if I flee the country and get blacklisted, can I still get my pension money back?
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DCJames



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your employer has been contributing pension benefits as he promised in your contract, you can get your pension by dealing directly with the pension office.

Blacklist? There is no such thing as a blacklist held by immigration. This country can't even enforce basic traffic laws, how the hell is it going to keep a blacklist??
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wylies99



Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's no blacklist except for convicted criminals.

Are you sure your school has been paying into the pension plan? You should visit the pension office with your ARC and check this BEFORE you make any decisions about a runner. Wink
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Big Mac



Joined: 17 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In order to apply for the pension refund you need a plane ticket and I think you also need a letter from your school stating your end date. You basically have to prove to the pension office that you are leaving the country and not planning to come back. That's if you plan to apply for the refund before you leave Korea.

You can apply for the refund in your home country. However, the process is much more complicated and can take a very long time. I don't know about the US, but in Canada it can take over a year to get your money.

If you apply for the refund before you leave Korea, you should have the money in your home bank account in about a month.

If I were you, I would call the pension office and ask for their advice on what you should do. They have an English hotline, but I don't have the number handy at the moment.
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Tobias



Joined: 02 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 6:31 am    Post subject: Another different story Reply with quote

Big Mac wrote:
....I think you also need a letter from your school stating your end date....


Can someone confim the above? I need to know if it's true. I'd prefer to slip away in the middle of the night without my school knowing, at least not until I'm on the ground in San Francisco. I was told here I could go to the pension office in Seoul with my ARC, passport, US bank info, and plane ticket and I'd be set. I assume I'd need to bring my contract as well. My school wouldn't need to be involved and wouldn't be contacted.

True? Not true? Set me straight here, people.
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Big Mac



Joined: 17 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't rely on any information from here anyway.

If you want solid information, call the pension office at 1355. They usually have an English speaking person you can speak to.
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Tobias



Joined: 02 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 4:11 pm    Post subject: Hit or miss Reply with quote

Big Mac wrote:
I wouldn't rely on any information from here anyway.

If you want solid information, call the pension office at 1355. They usually have an English speaking person you can speak to.


Yes, this site seems to mirror some teaching strategies--'hit or miss'.

I'll dial up 1355 and get the scoop from the horse's mouth. At least one version of the scoop, anyway.
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ChinaBoy



Joined: 17 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went into the office in Yatap, no problem, very fast.

They said they didn't need to see plane tickets or anything, BUT would not release my money until they could confirm that I had indeed left the country. So I guess they've got some kind of check at IMMI to make sure you leave (then you get the money).

I had it deposited into my Korean bank account, took a couple weeks.

If you're planning on coming back anyway, there's no point in taking it out. I had some stuff from 2002 still in there (I guess getting some interest).
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Tobias



Joined: 02 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 5:38 pm    Post subject: That makes sense Reply with quote

ChinaBoy wrote:
I went into the office in Yatap, no problem, very fast.

...BUT would not release my money until they could confirm that I had indeed left the country. So I guess they've got some kind of check at IMMI to make They said they didn't need to see plane tickets or anythingsure you leave (then you get the money)...



Hmm. Once again the fog moves in and obscures the truth. Since I've been here, I've always been told one MUST show the plane ticket. China, your post makes more sense than anyone's, however, as the NPO always confirms one's immy status before wiring the green. It sounds as though you really only need your ARC (for the ID number) and your home bank account number to get the process started. The NPO will confirm later that you've left and then move to the second, final step.
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T-J



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae

PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 5:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Another different story Reply with quote

Tobias wrote:
Big Mac wrote:
....I think you also need a letter from your school stating your end date....


Can someone confim the above? I need to know if it's true. I'd prefer to slip away in the middle of the night without my school knowing, at least not until I'm on the ground in San Francisco. I was told here I could go to the pension office in Seoul with my ARC, passport, US bank info, and plane ticket and I'd be set. I assume I'd need to bring my contract as well. My school wouldn't need to be involved and wouldn't be contacted.

True? Not true? Set me straight here, people.


Leaving so soon Tobias?
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Tobias



Joined: 02 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 7:57 pm    Post subject: And why would you care? Reply with quote

T-J wrote:
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Leaving so soon Tobias?


Leaving as in "I'll leave my 1500-dollar-a-month (and falling) job in the dust"?

Shoulda already been gone.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IF your employer has been paying into your pension plan you can apply within 30 days of your departure.

You need your ARC, passport and plane ticket.
You need the bank info for them to send the money to.

It will show up in your account about 30 days after your departure.

I even got a confirmation letter from them a few days after my application to confirm the golden handshake, date and amount.

Now I just sit and watch the coconuts growing... hard work but someone has to do it.

Yes, you can get it if you leave early and/or if you do a runner.

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Tobias



Joined: 02 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 4:25 pm    Post subject: Here's a Q for you, TT Reply with quote

Double T, I'll take your post as gospel. I'll take all those things to the big NPO in Seoul when I do go. I've heard I MUST go to my local office, but I'll treat that as rumour-only.

Now, for one of the biggest questions I've had since I got into TESOL, and I hope you can give me the straight answer, TT...

When a country says "Foreign teachers work their first two years tax-free" does this mean two calendar years free or two tax years free? If I come to Korea for the first time in July and go to work at a PS, when do I start paying taxes? 18 months later or 24 months later?

Thanks.
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gangpae



Joined: 03 Sep 2007
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's a hagwon, and the 9 month screw is on, best thing to do is pull a runner. You can check to see if they have been contributing to pension; it'll probably confirm what shite your school is. I hate to say it but I have to agree with Brendan Carr, save up 3 grand and split. Your lifestyle will be so much better in China or Japan.

The thing about the Korea meat-grinder is that it's all based on the free airfare, but I'll tell you right now it's just a cheesy loss-leader. A way to hook you in and drag you onto the boat. Nothing is free and they'll gouge it back what ever way they can.

Go to Taiwan and camp out at a hostel in Taipei. You'll find a comparable job with guaranteed Health insurance and a much warmer climate.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 7:39 am    Post subject: Re: Here's a Q for you, TT Reply with quote

Tobias wrote:
Double T, I'll take your post as gospel. I'll take all those things to the big NPO in Seoul when I do go. I've heard I MUST go to my local office, but I'll treat that as rumour-only.

Now, for one of the biggest questions I've had since I got into TESOL, and I hope you can give me the straight answer, TT...

When a country says "Foreign teachers work their first two years tax-free" does this mean two calendar years free or two tax years free? If I come to Korea for the first time in July and go to work at a PS, when do I start paying taxes? 18 months later or 24 months later?

Thanks.


The tax holiday does have some hoops to jump through (if you are from the states you need to file a form 8088 with the IRS and present the reply form from them to the school/tax office for the Korean tax exemption.

The exemption is ONLY for those working in a Public school or PUBLIC university. Teachers in private schools (hakwons), international schools and private uni's do NOT get the tax break.

Your exemption covers the first 24 months of employment in Korea (if you qualify).
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