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RJjr
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Turning on a Lamp
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Fellow Americans,
So many people are going to be losing their jobs that we basically have two choices:
a) We can give a bunch of money to out-of-work Americans and them sit on the couch watching American Idol and Dancing With the Stars while America crumbles into a decrepit slum. 
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b) We can give a bunch of money to out-of-work Americans and watch America get rebuilt and regain her reputation as the place where women the world over throw poontang out of both pantlegs just for the outside chance to come here. 
During the Great Depression II, America will either die or get stronger. I'm not going to let my hometown turn into some shithole where no hot chick anywhere on Earth would want to go and where my hometown ladies will leave to Russia or China with any old fat, bald man. In 2050, I want to be the bald fattie with the hot chicks. Don't you? Let's have some damn pride and rebuild America! |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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I made a point before that I'm FOR going green. I'm AGAINST Obama pushing this "Green Project" as a way to generate jobs. Yes, we can create 2.5 million jobs in the short term, but will all 2.5 million KEEP their jobs when the projects are over?
No one will answer that question. The point Obama is hammering into people, and the emphasis is on the 2.5 million jobs. IF he had proposed this project as "Investing in America" and said the 2.5 million jobs were a byproduct of this, then I wouldn't be so criticial.
However, he is selling this project on the Jobs that will be created. |
I think the 'going green' has a more far-reaching goal. I don't think its a thing to just keep 2.5 million people busy for a few years with no other intention whatsoever.
I think the idea is that entrepreneurs and companies and investors will begin to 'think green', and combined with tax incentives, will begin to produce and create an industry focused around fuel-efficient products, industries, etc.
I believe the general idea is much like the Internet. Once people knew there was money to be made there, then Wall Street invested heavily in start-ups, and in the end, the best of the best lasts, and the rest fades away. (The same can be said for all new industries whatever they might have been). The entire economy prospers when new industries flourish.
The green, fuel-efficiency, etc. of industries is inevitable anyways...if we don't do it, it will be Japan or elsewhere selling the products to the U.S. and we'll be the economic loser overall. But if we create the industries and build the companies that focus on it, then we also create the future industry leaders that will in return be selling the products abroad with potentially the largest world market share, etc. |
Now, THAT makes sense to me. I hope Obama can implement strategies to avoid major pitfalls of government projects, eg. Boston's Big Dig. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds like what Friedman is saying:
We're really going to have to go about this in a strategic way, and the next president is gonna have to have a plan. I was just in China a week or ten days ago Tom; the young Chinese, whenever I go they say to me "Mr. Friedman, you guys got to grow dirty for 150 years. Now it's our turn." To which I say to them: "You know what? You're right. It is your turn. Take your time. Grow as dirty as you want. Cause I think we just need five years to invent all the clean car technologies you're going to need before you choke to death, and then we're gonna come over, and then we're gonna sell them to you, and we're gonna clean your clock in the next great global industry."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/26591180#26591180 |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| RJjr wrote: |
| In 2050, I want to be the bald fattie with the hot chicks. Don't you? Let's have some damn pride and rebuild America! |
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Mith,
I think thats a very relevant point. The young Chinese don't seem to give a damn about the environmental impacts, but its just those very long-term costs that will hold them back.
The older Chinese know better, I would say. |
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