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| Mercenaries or decorated vets? |
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T-J
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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| sharkey wrote: |
| T-J wrote: |
| sharkey wrote: |
| lock these killers up |
Careful, you're livelihood is derived from the actions of those "killers."
If you are going to righteously decry the actions of a group, don't you think it would be disingenuous to profit from their actions? |
how exactly has blackwater made my life better by protecting diplomats in iraq and murdering civilians for fun? |
They are all U.S. vets.
You live in and derive your livelihood from a country that enjoys its current status as a result of military intervention.
Don't bite the hand that feeds you. If you want to be critical and hold people accountable for their individual actions, fine. Do not paint them with the broad "killer" brush. You just come off sounding naive. |
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sharkey
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| T-J wrote: |
| sharkey wrote: |
| T-J wrote: |
| sharkey wrote: |
| lock these killers up |
Careful, you're livelihood is derived from the actions of those "killers."
If you are going to righteously decry the actions of a group, don't you think it would be disingenuous to profit from their actions? |
how exactly has blackwater made my life better by protecting diplomats in iraq and murdering civilians for fun? |
They are all U.S. vets.
You live in and derive your livelihood from a country that enjoys its current status as a result of military intervention.
Don't bite the hand that feeds you. If you want to be critical and hold people accountable for their individual actions, fine. Do not paint them with the broad "killer" brush. You just come off sounding naive. |
give me a fuckin break you brainwashed tool
the only soldiers i owe respect to are the soldiers of the world wars.. the only time the western world was in danger and actually had to fight...
how do i owe my gratitude to soldiers who fought in vietnam, panama, iraq, iraq 2 ? did these countries threaten Canada , or America for that matter? Was your livelihood as a western person at stake when north vietnam invaded the south? were the VK going to shoot up your car and burn your house down??????? NO
stop thinking wars after the 2nd world war were threats to your livelihood and smarten up. you the one who is naive and fcking complete blind.
oh yeah , for sure, suddam is going to invade america, lol he couldnt invade a country the size of a postage stamp, how the f is he going to cross the atlantic ocean and put iraqi troops on the ground? youre right, he cant, never had the resources and never would have.
i dont owe shit to those black water warmongers, nor do i owe any gratitude to any other soldiers in the post 1956 world and neither do you, open your eyes |
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T-J
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 12:30 am Post subject: |
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how do i owe my gratitude to soldiers who fought in vietnam, panama, iraq, iraq 2 ?
stop thinking wars after the 2nd world war were threats to your livelihood and smarten up. you the one who is naive and fcking complete blind.
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I was actually referring to the Korean War. 
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give me a fuckin break you brainwashed tool
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You really are 22 aren't you. |
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RJjr
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Turning on a Lamp
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:06 am Post subject: |
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| sharkey wrote: |
| T-J wrote: |
| sharkey wrote: |
| T-J wrote: |
| sharkey wrote: |
| lock these killers up |
Careful, you're livelihood is derived from the actions of those "killers."
If you are going to righteously decry the actions of a group, don't you think it would be disingenuous to profit from their actions? |
how exactly has blackwater made my life better by protecting diplomats in iraq and murdering civilians for fun? |
They are all U.S. vets.
You live in and derive your livelihood from a country that enjoys its current status as a result of military intervention.
Don't bite the hand that feeds you. If you want to be critical and hold people accountable for their individual actions, fine. Do not paint them with the broad "killer" brush. You just come off sounding naive. |
give me a fuckin break you brainwashed tool
the only soldiers i owe respect to are the soldiers of the world wars.. the only time the western world was in danger and actually had to fight...
how do i owe my gratitude to soldiers who fought in vietnam, panama, iraq, iraq 2 ? did these countries threaten Canada , or America for that matter? Was your livelihood as a western person at stake when north vietnam invaded the south? were the VK going to shoot up your car and burn your house down??????? NO
stop thinking wars after the 2nd world war were threats to your livelihood and smarten up. you the one who is naive and fcking complete blind.
oh yeah , for sure, suddam is going to invade america, lol he couldnt invade a country the size of a postage stamp, how the f is he going to cross the atlantic ocean and put iraqi troops on the ground? youre right, he cant, never had the resources and never would have.
i dont owe shit to those black water warmongers, nor do i owe any gratitude to any other soldiers in the post 1956 world and neither do you, open your eyes |
You mean if we wouldn't have bombed a bunch of Vietnamese people, they wouldn't have invaded and conquered North America, blown up our houses, and made us speak Vietnamese?  |
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sharkey
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:45 am Post subject: |
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| T-J wrote: |
| sharkey wrote: |
how do i owe my gratitude to soldiers who fought in vietnam, panama, iraq, iraq 2 ?
stop thinking wars after the 2nd world war were threats to your livelihood and smarten up. you the one who is naive and fcking complete blind.
I was actually referring to the Korean War. |
| sharkey wrote: |
give me a fuckin break you brainwashed tool
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You really are 22 aren't you. |
what are you doing stalking my profile ? yeah im 22. is 22 childish now I suppose ?
so we have 70 year old korean vets running around in iraq and youre saying they created blackwater ? but hey, good arguments against mine. when youre wrong, youre wrong.
anyways, you know im right and modern vets deserve no respect when talking about how they fought for our freedoms, they didnt fight for shit, except, haliburton and oil. |
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sharkey
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:50 am Post subject: |
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| RJjr wrote: |
| sharkey wrote: |
| T-J wrote: |
| sharkey wrote: |
| T-J wrote: |
| sharkey wrote: |
| lock these killers up |
Careful, you're livelihood is derived from the actions of those "killers."
If you are going to righteously decry the actions of a group, don't you think it would be disingenuous to profit from their actions? |
how exactly has blackwater made my life better by protecting diplomats in iraq and murdering civilians for fun? |
They are all U.S. vets.
You live in and derive your livelihood from a country that enjoys its current status as a result of military intervention.
Don't bite the hand that feeds you. If you want to be critical and hold people accountable for their individual actions, fine. Do not paint them with the broad "killer" brush. You just come off sounding naive. |
give me a fuckin break you brainwashed tool
the only soldiers i owe respect to are the soldiers of the world wars.. the only time the western world was in danger and actually had to fight...
how do i owe my gratitude to soldiers who fought in vietnam, panama, iraq, iraq 2 ? did these countries threaten Canada , or America for that matter? Was your livelihood as a western person at stake when north vietnam invaded the south? were the VK going to shoot up your car and burn your house down??????? NO
stop thinking wars after the 2nd world war were threats to your livelihood and smarten up. you the one who is naive and fcking complete blind.
oh yeah , for sure, suddam is going to invade america, lol he couldnt invade a country the size of a postage stamp, how the f is he going to cross the atlantic ocean and put iraqi troops on the ground? youre right, he cant, never had the resources and never would have.
i dont owe shit to those black water warmongers, nor do i owe any gratitude to any other soldiers in the post 1956 world and neither do you, open your eyes |
You mean if we wouldn't have bombed a bunch of Vietnamese people, they wouldn't have invaded and conquered North America, blown up our houses, and made us speak Vietnamese? |
haha well i think the vietnamese were aligning themselves with cambodia and loas to create a super advanced army capable of god knows what , so, im glad we bombed them all into the ground before they could invade us . what a fn joke |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:38 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
Simplistic binary. They are neither, of course, unless one is looking for one or another propagandistic angle. I wish you had added "other" in your poll options, Tiger Beer.
Blackwater employs former American military personnel who perform security functions for the American govt in Iraq. This has become a controversial topic. No more, no less. |
Soldiers in uniform have done things they shouldn't have, it happens, unfortunately. If there are thousands of former veterans, you are bound to have some problems. The question is how prevalent are the abuses?
Anyway, if you are a veteran working as a hired gun, by definition, you are a mercenary. It's up to the person looking at that term to decide if that's a negative or positive thing. That's my take on it. I am not a fan of having mercenaries down there, because it seems to disguise the death toll, and having veterans die in combat means something. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:20 am Post subject: |
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| T-J wrote: |
| sharkey wrote: |
how do i owe my gratitude to soldiers who fought in vietnam, panama, iraq, iraq 2 ?
stop thinking wars after the 2nd world war were threats to your livelihood and smarten up. you the one who is naive and fcking complete blind.
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I was actually referring to the Korean War.
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Ah, welcome Sharkey. Another Canadian who prouldy defies the US military-industrial complex but could give a sh*t about int'l law. How charming.
You are aware that the UN authorized the use of force in the Korean War and the Gulf War? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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Correction:
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| Anyway, if you are a veteran working as a hired gun [for a foreign govt or a foreign-flagged paramilitary entity], by definition, you are a mercenary. |
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sharkey
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| T-J wrote: |
| sharkey wrote: |
how do i owe my gratitude to soldiers who fought in vietnam, panama, iraq, iraq 2 ?
stop thinking wars after the 2nd world war were threats to your livelihood and smarten up. you the one who is naive and fcking complete blind.
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I was actually referring to the Korean War.
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Ah, welcome Sharkey. Another Canadian who prouldy defies the US military-industrial complex but could give a sh*t about int'l law. How charming.
You are aware that the UN authorized the use of force in the Korean War and the Gulf War? |
well what does the UN have to do with anything ? first of all, Korea was not really accpeted by all UN members of the security council. The americans pushed it through when the russians were boycotting it. So not really legitimate.
Gulf War, complete farce, Iraqis were baited into war. And youre off the topic anyways. The argument is, why i owe gratitude for Gulf war vets. And of course I dont, Iraq was not threatening my security, nor were they threatening yours. The only way they could have possibly been threatening your security is with the weapons you gave them LOLOLOL.
no one owes these service people any gratitude. Today all they're doing is creating more terrorism and instability in the world. thanks again, usa
but please tell me how iraq/vietnam, panama, korea etc etc were threatening your livelihood? I would really love to hear the answer. If anyone could tell me, plz the floor is yours! |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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The americans pushed it through when the russians were boycotting it. So not really legitimate.
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I am not an expert on the Korean War, but I do entertain the hypothesis that the Russians' supposed boycott was actually an attempt to make sure the war went ahead, for whatever reasons they may have had. (Draining American resources away from Europe, pitting China and the US against each other, whatever).
The only alternative explanation is that the Russians, despite being one of the Big 5 on the Security Council, did not understand how a veto works. Possible, I suppose, but... |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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| On the Other Hand: I think your understanding of Soviet motives in the Korean War is essentially correct. Stalin had in interest in prolonged negotiations, over pows and other issues, through the war's end, which only involved, I recall, the Eisenhower Administration's threat to employ nuclear weapons against China. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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| sharkey wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| T-J wrote: |
| sharkey wrote: |
how do i owe my gratitude to soldiers who fought in vietnam, panama, iraq, iraq 2 ?
stop thinking wars after the 2nd world war were threats to your livelihood and smarten up. you the one who is naive and fcking complete blind.
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I was actually referring to the Korean War.
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Ah, welcome Sharkey. Another Canadian who prouldy defies the US military-industrial complex but could give a sh*t about int'l law. How charming.
You are aware that the UN authorized the use of force in the Korean War and the Gulf War? |
well what does the UN have to do with anything ? first of all, Korea was not really accpeted by all UN members of the security council. The americans pushed it through when the russians were boycotting it. So not really legitimate.
Gulf War, complete farce, Iraqis were baited into war. And youre off the topic anyways. The argument is, why i owe gratitude for Gulf war vets. And of course I dont, Iraq was not threatening my security, nor were they threatening yours. The only way they could have possibly been threatening your security is with the weapons you gave them LOLOLOL.
no one owes these service people any gratitude. Today all they're doing is creating more terrorism and instability in the world. thanks again, usa
but please tell me how iraq/vietnam, panama, korea etc etc were threatening your livelihood? I would really love to hear the answer. If anyone could tell me, plz the floor is yours! |
The test isn't whether a country threatens my livelihood.
The test is whether the Security Council, regardless of who is boycotting or not, finds a breach of the peace of an international character.
Chapter VII of the UN Charter |
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cangel
Joined: 19 Jun 2003
Location: Jeonju, S. Korea
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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It amazes me how some people believe that a foreign army must be knocking on your door in order to be a legitimate threat. Talk about naive!
It's a nation's ability and the world's ability to anticipate, predict and react to threats before those threats are standing directly before us that ensures our continued safety and way of life. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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It amazes me how some people believe that a foreign army must be knocking on your door in order to be a legitimate threat. Talk about naive!
It's a nation's ability and the world's ability to anticipate, predict and react to threats before those threats are standing directly before us that ensures our continued safety and way of life. |
This doctrine of pre-emptive war you are espousing here is anathema to most Americans. Indeed, it was something the country has always stood against - until Bush43 and his cronies misled us into our unprecedented assault on Iraq. |
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