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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 12:51 pm Post subject: Your thoughts about nationality |
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We're born in a wind that never stops blowing. Some say it's trivial, and dismiss it that way, but within the attachment they know, it's not a thing to be
dropped. So why do you care about your nationality, and you do, unless you are a rare one, able to drop it for real. So few can drop it really, the damn thing tags along.
These are my thoughts. I think nationality is nonsense, but remain one who cannot drop it for real. Saying, intellectually, you know it's junk, does not make it junk to you at all. There's a dissonance. The flag was painted a lot. You are attached to that paint. |
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yingwenlaoshi

Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Location: ... location, location!
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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How's your Chinese speaking now?
Ni huai jiang jongwen ma? |
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joshuahirtle27

Joined: 23 Mar 2008
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
How's your Chinese speaking now?
Ni huai jiang jongwen ma? |
What did you call my mother?? :P |
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 7:04 pm Post subject: Re: Your thoughts about nationality |
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jajdude wrote: |
We're born in a wind that never stops blowing. Some say it's trivial, and dismiss it that way, but within the attachment they know, it's not a thing to be
dropped. So why do you care about your nationality, and you do, unless you are a rare one, able to drop it for real. So few can drop it really, the damn thing tags along.
These are my thoughts. I think nationality is nonsense, but remain one who cannot drop it for real. Saying, intellectually, you know it's junk, does not make it junk to you at all. There's a dissonance. The flag was painted a lot. You are attached to that paint. |
Excellent philosphical (drunkeness perhaps) thinking.
I've always felt it is not so important 'where are you from?' then 'where are you' or 'where do you want to be'. I think various elements attract us to certain places, and that is much more important than the plot of land we happened to born on.
I also find that 'nationality' just creates way too many barriers, stereotypes, etc. I use to assume educated people look beyond that, but they don't. Whenever you meet a new person, 90% of the initial conversation is the other person trying to figure out what kind of a (insert nationality here) you are, a 'good' one or a 'bad' one. Meaning do you fit into all of their negative stereotypes, or do you somehow transcend it. |
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mistermasan
Joined: 20 Sep 2007 Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe
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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 12:45 am Post subject: |
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"nationlism" is as stupid as organized religion. others trying to herd you into a bloc so they can agglomerate greater power.
that stated, my US passport gets me all kinds of jobs i couldn't get if i was from, say, ecuador. |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 1:54 am Post subject: Re: Your thoughts about nationality |
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jajdude wrote: |
We're born in a wind that never stops blowing. |
The land I was born and raised on has a special fondness in my heart.
I AM CANADIAN. Makes for a beer jingle and for a basic, immutable fact.
I am also a member of the Colbert Nation.
Some things in life you chose, some you didn't.
You can choose your friends but you can't choose your family. (well, in this modern age of anything goes of course you can)
jajdude, it already seemed like you lacked roots, a SENSE OF GROUNDING, from your many late night threads I've read over the years (read them in the light of the next day). Seriously man, you need either enough faith in humanity and your place in the world to become a writer of books or else you need to get married and raise some kids. Or booze away your remaining years in a futile attempt to escape what deep down you know you can't escape: whatever it is I bet it has to do with where you came from and who you were around. |
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shifty
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 2:41 am Post subject: |
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Completely agree with you Van and specifically with the footnote.
What I really like about Jajdude is that if I was in a real fix, I could go knocking on his door and he'd help me. |
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Atramentous

Joined: 12 Jan 2008 Location: Ansan
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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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Nationality is a cultural construct, I think. But it is also one that is rooted in your upbringing and familial concept of nationality.
For myself, I am a dual-citizen but have lived outside of the two nations that I am a citizen of. Both of my parents hold government jobs (of their respective governments) and neither is particularily attached to their country of origin. My siblings and I consider ourselves third-culture kids. Consequently, I don't really have any deep, passionate feelings for either nation.
Feelings, both positive and negative, about your nationality come from what you were taught about it at home. |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:19 am Post subject: |
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Cheers shifty and van. You touched something but not quite. Dude, you should know by now that stuff is pointless to say to me. Back on the thread, I suppose my main idea was we all have junk but no dumpster.
and tiger, there was no perhaps. |
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Panda

Joined: 25 Oct 2008
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Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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Nationality can not serve as a self-identification, thus I agree it is nonsense from this aspect.
People who have spent several years abroad more or less feel what you felt.
But I find people who show some patriotism are more charming and self-confident than those who dont. Generally speaking, patriotism is love expanded to your present life and shouldnt be limited within your home country, which you might have been very aloof from. |
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soviet_man

Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 1:01 am Post subject: |
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"Nationality" absolutely defines a person and groups of persons.
I say that because politics and economics cannot possibly be uncoupled from nationality under a capitalist system.
80% of humanity live on less than $10 a day.
The richest 20% of the world's nationalities account for 75% of world income.
Nationality is directly linked to a person having greater chances of disease, poverty and other forms of social distress.
That doesn't make it right however.
Nationalities and borders have, and can be again, broken down under a socialist and ultimately communist society - where the fairer distribution of the planet's reources can actually take place.
A few years ago I was standing in a small village where the Chinese, North Korean and Russian borders meet. It was the sort of place where one could contemplate the supposed triviality of nationality, but then the reality of the political situation is there right in front of you: there is no simple way for these three different, diffuse, nationalities to be harmonized under the banner of one society except under socialism. Capitalism offered no possible tools to unite these three nationalities in an equitable way. That is the bottom line. |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 1:56 am Post subject: |
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jajdude wrote: |
... we all have junk but no dumpster... |
hey jaj, you can put your junk in a Korean dumpster, then Chinese dumpster then into any other dumpster you want
of course we wouldn't put our junk into the dumpster we came from: that would be disgusting
(i think i'm losing the analogy...) |
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Jandar

Joined: 11 Jun 2008
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Panda

Joined: 25 Oct 2008
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 5:18 am Post subject: |
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But isnt it just an official thing, like a marriage, you are born to be engaged with your homeland, what if your self-identification denies what you are. I met some Koreans in America who had been its citizenz for long, but I could feel their dilemma of being self-notified as either Korean or American. |
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