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jaykimf
Joined: 24 Apr 2004
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| Real Reality wrote: |
Annual teacher salaries, public schools (with minimum training) (US$)
Starting Salary: 25,177
After 15 years: 42,845
Top of Scale: 68,581
Attracting, Developing and Retaining Effective Teachers
Country Note: Korea
John Coolahan, Paulo Santiago, Rowena Phair and Akira Ninomiya
Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, Directorate for Education, Education and Training Policy Division
http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/26/49/31690991.pdf
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You're lying again Real Reality. That is not what the OECD report says. It actually says: "Annual teacher salaries, public schools (with minimum training, 2001)2"....
"2. Expressed in equivalent US$ converted using purchasing power parities."
You have deceitfully misrepresented the OECD figures as US$ amounts when in fact they are converted using purchasing power parities. The result is figures that are about 30% higher than actual salaries in US$. Furthermore, you know you are misrepresenting the OECD figures because I have pointed it out to you in 2 previous threads.
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=56723
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=57109
In your desire to make yourself look underpaid compared with Korean teachers you have deliberately, deceitfully and dishonestly misrepresented what Korean teachers make. You are a loser. |
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ghost
Joined: 06 Dec 2006
Location: Many congenial places
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| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 12:42 pm Post subject: the skinny is this.... |
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| jaykimf wrote: |
| Real Reality wrote: |
Annual teacher salaries, public schools (with minimum training) (US$)
Starting Salary: 25,177
After 15 years: 42,845
Top of Scale: 68,581
Attracting, Developing and Retaining Effective Teachers
Country Note: Korea
John Coolahan, Paulo Santiago, Rowena Phair and Akira Ninomiya
Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, Directorate for Education, Education and Training Policy Division
http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/26/49/31690991.pdf
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You're lying again Real Reality. That is not what the OECD report says. It actually says: "Annual teacher salaries, public schools (with minimum training, 2001)2"....
"2. Expressed in equivalent US$ converted using purchasing power parities."
You have deceitfully misrepresented the OECD figures as US$ amounts when in fact they are converted using purchasing power parities. The result is figures that are about 30% higher than actual salaries in US$. Furthermore, you know you are misrepresenting the OECD figures because I have pointed it out to you in 2 previous threads.
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=56723
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=57109
In your desire to make yourself look underpaid compared with Korean teachers you have deliberately, deceitfully and dishonestly misrepresented what Korean teachers make. You are a loser. |
Ok, so even without taking PPP into account (purchasing power parity), the 2001 salary figures for Korean teachers were 18,206,750 won to 49,855,800 won per year which would be around $19,389 U.S. to $53,094 U.S. per year. Not bad, but certainly less than some of the other countries, including Canada, where I'm from. (Jaykimf - the figures I give were average, based on an exchange rate of $1=939 won, and this may have been different at the time).
As I'm new to Korea, it would be interesting to know which things are cheaper or more expensive here (in Korea) compared with developed countries like Canada/U.S. and Britain - from the short time I've been here, some goods appear to be just as expensive as back home (household goods and appliances) and others are only marginally cheaper (eating out cheaply), but then some grocery items appear to be much more expensive here (imported fruits).
In any case, we, as foreign teachers should not complain, because most of us, I think, are able to save a good portion of the salaries we make, thanks to the accommodation being provided, and having less expenses like mortgages and car payments to make.
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kangnam mafioso
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: Teheranno
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| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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i've heard that korean public school teachers make about 2-3 million a month with good benefits, stability and paid vacations. unlike public school teaching in the states, in korea it is a highly competitive/ respectful job and can been quite difficult to get into/ pass all the exams, etc.
for a full professor at the uni, it is a lot higher salary and even more difficult to get into. for the hogwans, i believe it doesn't pay very much and requires long working hours/ not much respect, etc. also, they don't get the free apartments and so on. |
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antoniothegreat
Joined: 28 Aug 2005
Location: Yangpyeong
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| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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i am sure it will range from province to province, as well as school to school for bonuses, but what i have heard at my school is about this.
first year teacher about 1.5 mil
20 year teacher about 3.5 mil
new year and chuseok bonuses equal to about one month salary.
extra classes that they get at about as many as they want at 25.000/class. most of the teachers get about 4-8 hours a week.
homeroom teachers get an extra 100,000 per month.
english teachers get vaticans to go study every five years, they range from a six month course in korea to a two month trip to an english speaking country.
not going to comment on who has the better deal, depends on your contract, your situation, and what you value. |
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Matt_22
Joined: 22 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| kangnam mafioso wrote: |
| for the hogwans, i believe it doesn't pay very much and requires long working hours/ not much respect, etc. also, they don't get the free apartments and so on. |
the korean teachers at my hagwon almost always make more money than the native teachers - some of them up to 6+ mil/month. granted, they have to work longer hours (often saturdays) as well as deal with parents and whatnot. |
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Scotticus
Joined: 18 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 5:06 pm Post subject: Re: How much do real Korean teachers make compared to us? |
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| ghost wrote: |
| Obviously a sensitive topic and not one that you can ask a Korean teacher outright... |
Are you sure this is sensitive? I'm on my second year here and I've been asked by tons of Koreans what I get paid at my job. And it's not from people I know very well, always someone I haven't known for very long. I've gotten the impression that it's much more kosher to ask about someone's salary in Korea than in America (where I hail from). |
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MissSeoul
Joined: 25 Oct 2006
Location: Somewhere in America
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| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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And I don't think you necessarily need an Education degree to teach here. Just a Bachelors in anything. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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korean middle/high school teachers have to get specific degrees for teaching specific majors.
( not any bachelor degrees )
However elementary school teachers have to graduate teaching universities which specialized for elementary education. |
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ghost
Joined: 06 Dec 2006
Location: Many congenial places
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| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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| kangnam mafioso wrote: |
| for the hogwans, i believe it doesn't pay very much and requires long working hours/ not much respect, etc. also, they don't get the free apartments and so on. |
the korean teachers at my hagwon almost always make more money than the native teachers - some of them up to 6+ mil/month. granted, they have to work longer hours (often saturdays) as well as deal with parents and whatnot. |
You have got to be kidding! 6 million plus working in a hogwan - that's almost $6000 bucks per month....
This has got to be an overestimated figure, unless said teacher were working 16 hours per day, which is not really feasable.
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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Korea
Education at a Glance 2008: OECD Indicators--Indicator D3: How much are teachers paid?
(Note: in equivalent USD converted using PPPs)
--Primary education--
Starting Salary: 30,528
Salary after 15 years experience: 52,666
Salary at the top of the scale: 84,262
Ratio of salary after 15 years of experience to GDP per capita: 2.29
--Secodary education--
Starting Salary: 30,405
Salary after 15 years experience: 52,543
Salary at the top of the scale: 84,139
Ratio of salary after 15 years of experience to GDP per capita: 2.28
Table D3.1. Teachers' salaries (2006)--Annual statutory teachers' salaries in public institutions at starting salary, after 15 years of experience and at the top of the scale by level of education, in equivalent USD converted using PPPs
Last updated: 04-Sep-2008
Excel File for download: http://ocde.p4.siteinternet.com/publications/doifiles/962008041P1G025.xls
Main Website address: http://www.oecd.org/document/9/0,3343,en_2649_39263238_41266761_1_1_1_1,00.html
Teachers' salaries -- From The Economist (Sep 27th 2007)
http://www.economist.com/markets/indicators/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9867632
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| Teaching in Turkey and South Korea has a very high status, with earnings more than double the average income per head.... |
Teacher Labor Markets in Developed Countries: The Future of Children
http://www.futureofchildren.org/information2850/information_show.htm?doc_id=470797
image link: http://www.futureofchildren.org/doc_img/470797.gif
Teachers in Korea have guaranteed tenure until they reach the mandatory retirement age.
Attracting, Developing and Retaining Effective Teachers
Country Note: Korea
John Coolahan, Paulo Santiago, Rowena Phair and Akira Ninomiya
Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, Directorate for Education, Education and Training Policy Division
http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/26/49/31690991.pdf |
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weatherman
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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| ghost wrote: |
| Matt_22 wrote: |
| kangnam mafioso wrote: |
| for the hogwans, i believe it doesn't pay very much and requires long working hours/ not much respect, etc. also, they don't get the free apartments and so on. |
the korean teachers at my hagwon almost always make more money than the native teachers - some of them up to 6+ mil/month. granted, they have to work longer hours (often saturdays) as well as deal with parents and whatnot. |
You have got to be kidding! 6 million plus working in a hogwan - that's almost $6000 bucks per month....
This has got to be an overestimated figure, unless said teacher were working 16 hours per day, which is not really feasable.
Ghost |
A popular teacher (always korean) at a hogwon will get a cut on the tuition the students pay. Thus a very high salary. A few 'stars' in the industry make much, much more. |
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yeoja
Joined: 27 Nov 2008
Location: Down south in South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| weatherman wrote: |
| ghost wrote: |
| Matt_22 wrote: |
| kangnam mafioso wrote: |
| for the hogwans, i believe it doesn't pay very much and requires long working hours/ not much respect, etc. also, they don't get the free apartments and so on. |
the korean teachers at my hagwon almost always make more money than the native teachers - some of them up to 6+ mil/month. granted, they have to work longer hours (often saturdays) as well as deal with parents and whatnot. |
You have got to be kidding! 6 million plus working in a hogwan - that's almost $6000 bucks per month....
This has got to be an overestimated figure, unless said teacher were working 16 hours per day, which is not really feasable.
Ghost |
A popular teacher (always korean) at a hogwon will get a cut on the tuition the students pay. Thus a very high salary. A few 'stars' in the industry make much, much more. |
The top Korean teachers in a well-known hagwon (usually uni prep hagwons or English hagwons) can make 10M won a month. But you're looking at 6 or so hours of sleep, almost no private/personal life, always prepping or shooting lessons, and actually teaching.
Daechi 1st, Megastudy, Daesung or Jongro, just to name a few.. |
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asylum seeker
Joined: 22 Jul 2007
Location: On your computer screen.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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Korean teachers at normal hagwons only make about 1.3 million a month according to the Korean teachers at my school.
PS- Looking at page one it's funny to see how much more serious Yingwenlaoshi used to be.  |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| asylum seeker wrote: |
Korean teachers at normal hagwons only make about 1.3 million a month according to the Korean teachers at my school.
PS- Looking at page one it's funny to see how much more serious Yingwenlaoshi used to be. |
I had/have my moments. I am, however, less interested in details nowadays.
I don't know why I was going on about Taiwan and cost of living expenses. I think I was taking the p1ss or just drunk p1ssed. My grammar and spelling, etc. looks pretty bad. I had other posters off topic. Maybe that was my goal???
I was never really that serious though. Hmm. I'm actually less of a hooligan on this forum now. Too many warnings and suspensions/bans.
And I don't really give a rat's arse what Korean teachers or other co-workers make. To tell you the truth, I don't much like a lot of Korean teachers. Well, the women anyway. I know it sounds prejudice, but they act like arseholes. Maybe they're jealous or have preconceived ideas about foreign teachers. Me no likee. |
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Mr-Dokdo
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:06 am Post subject: |
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I had a first year Korean teacher compare salaries with me my first year here. He was making just under 2.2 mil, which was the same as my salary at the time. However, I did have free housing worth at least 400,000 per month. He didn't like that.  |
I don't know how much Korean high school teachers make. But I hope they get paid much more than base Gyeonggi Province salary for a first year native English teacher, because Korean teachers stay at school until 10:30pm each night. And they teach on the first and third Saturdays of each month. |
Most of our native English "teachers" are youthful jokers enjoying a long vacation in the East. They get paid accordingly and should be grateful for that instead of whining endlesssly. Where else in the world can you manage to support yourself and save while doing little more than drinking, partying and getting laid? Let's have a little more gratitude. |
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nateium
Joined: 21 Aug 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:34 am Post subject: |
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| Mr-Dokdo wrote: |
Most of our native English "teachers" are youthful jokers enjoying a long vacation in the East. They get paid accordingly and should be grateful for that instead of whining endlesssly. Where else in the world can you manage to support yourself and save while doing little more than drinking, partying and getting laid? Let's have a little more gratitude. |
That about sums up the situation.
Actually, I get way more than I deserve, and at least as much as your average Korean "salaryman." Comparatively, I put in half the hours and have nearly none of the stress. There are thousands of other teachers out there with similar situations. Thank you Korea for your money and your women
Gratefully,
Nateium
P.S. Lets be clear though. Unlike the Korean teachers, no one entity really decides foreign teachers salaries. It's a matter of supply, demand, and the limits of what institutions are actually capable of paying. There's no real inherant "value" of a teacher or a way to quantify what a teacher deserves. |
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