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earthbound14
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| Jandar wrote: |
| Please refrain from teaching kids to hate English. |
Yes sir. I will do my best.
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I will ski when I'm good and ready to ski. |
I'm sure you will.
Melly Keuriseu-masseu!!!! |
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ryoga013
Joined: 23 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 9:32 am Post subject: Re: I like cutey girl....sorry you fail! |
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| earthbound14 wrote: |
| Breaking students of bad habits taught to them by Korean ...s ....My students just won't stop ... no matter how many times I tell them it's wrong. |
by reducing this post I saw this. It can be applied to standing in front of subway car doors, smacking gum, ddong-ch'imming, and many other things... |
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I'm no Picasso
Joined: 28 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 3:48 pm Post subject: Re: I like cutey girl....sorry you fail! |
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| Straphanger wrote: |
| earthbound14 wrote: |
| I'm a officially docking points for any student who pisses me off by using the word cutey in a sentence...no matter how perfect the rest of the sentence. |
God I wish I had your life, where these kinds of things would cause you to put more barriers between your students and being comfortable speaking English as a second language... Why would you deliberately sabotage Grade 3 high school students like this? Mark it. Return it for a rewrite. Where did you get your teaching certificate? |
I think he's just venting. We can all get annoyed by things like this sometimes, especially when you've already corrected something over and over and over. And especially if you're teaching at a public school where you can literally hear the same thing hundreds of times a day every day anyway.
And what's really annoying is it sometimes seems like, because the Korean teachers say it's this way, that's the way that it is. Even though the native speaking teacher is a, you know, native speaker -- well, we're still just the native speaking teacher. |
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xpat
Joined: 13 Mar 2008
Location: Kangnam baby
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| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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I spent almost 5 minutes explaining to my adult students that when you first meet someone you say, "Nice to meet you." When you see the same person again it's, "Nice to see you."
They said they understood, but some of them still say, "Nice to meet you." when they see me, so I just smile and say, "Nice to to see you too."
My hope is that if they hear it enough, they will change what they say. |
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hugekebab
Joined: 05 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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| xpat wrote: |
I spent almost 5 minutes explaining to my adult students that when you first meet someone you say, "Nice to meet you." When you see the same person again it's, "Nice to see you."
They said they understood, but some of them still say, "Nice to meet you." when they see me, so I just smile and say, "Nice to to see you too."
My hope is that if they hear it enough, they will change what they say. |
that bugs the shit out of me too. How are you? HOW ARE YOU? HOW ARE YOU?
I reckon that was on a TV advert or something because it's endemic.
Mine are all adults too. |
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Straphanger
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
Location: Chilgok, Korea
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| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 9:05 pm Post subject: Re: I like cutey girl....sorry you fail! |
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| I'm no Picasso wrote: |
| And especially if you're teaching at a public school where you can literally hear the same thing hundreds of times a day every day anyway. |
No... And especially with the 'Korean teachers' comment. Even the adjossis I roll with respect it. "My teacher said it was this way!" "Is your teacher Korean?" "Yes." "Well, who is right?...Exactly."
Hundreds of times a day? You do the same thing as a hakwon. We do it again. And again. And again. DA-SI! AGAIN! Until they get it right. We don't move from that one spot until I am satisfied that they have understood the concept. Boss likes it that way.
Now if they understand the concept and choose to ignore it, then they will repeat. Again. And again. And again. I'll spend a whole 50 minute section doing this. They will repeat until they concede to my stubbornness.
Ask your students to spell "fish" - it's my favourite word here. If it's eh-puh, eye, ess-uh, echie, then we've got an interesting section ahead of us. |
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I'm no Picasso
Joined: 28 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 5:15 am Post subject: Re: I like cutey girl....sorry you fail! |
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| Straphanger wrote: |
| I'm no Picasso wrote: |
| And especially if you're teaching at a public school where you can literally hear the same thing hundreds of times a day every day anyway. |
No... And especially with the 'Korean teachers' comment. Even the adjossis I roll with respect it. "My teacher said it was this way!" "Is your teacher Korean?" "Yes." "Well, who is right?...Exactly."
Hundreds of times a day? You do the same thing as a hakwon. We do it again. And again. And again. DA-SI! AGAIN! Until they get it right. We don't move from that one spot until I am satisfied that they have understood the concept. Boss likes it that way.
Now if they understand the concept and choose to ignore it, then they will repeat. Again. And again. And again. I'll spend a whole 50 minute section doing this. They will repeat until they concede to my stubbornness.
Ask your students to spell "fish" - it's my favourite word here. If it's eh-puh, eye, ess-uh, echie, then we've got an interesting section ahead of us. |
Yeah. I do the same thing as a hagwon. Except with 1500 students, most of whom I see for 45 minutes once every two weeks. Forgive me if I'm not a good enough "teacher" to spend those 45 minutes making them repeat the same word over and over.....
And what I meant by hearing the same thing hundreds of times a day was the same mistake or robotic textbook response to a question -- not them repeating in the lesson. Obviously. I've outlawed, "I'm fine, thanks. And you?" for this very reason. I explained to each class that if Sunsengnim hears "I'm fine, thanks. And you?" one more time, she will go crazy. |
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earthbound14
Joined: 23 Jan 2007
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 6:22 am Post subject: |
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| Jammer113 wrote: |
| why are you trying to discourage your students from branching out from wrote memorization of their text book? |
Sorry I forgot to comment on this.
This is what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to get them to stop repeating verbatim what is actually incorrect or over used because their grammar books told them so or because it has become popular on Korean TV. I expect my students to understand the differences between native English and pidgin English. It is part of their grade from now on.
This stuff is all fine in Korea, but outside of Korea they sound odd if they use it. As a teacher it is our job to help our students be better English speakers. We do them a diservice by allowing poor English to continue. I actually have an entire class dedicated to understanding the difference between Konglish and English. It's fun and helps the students sound more natural when they speak English.
Of course sometimes learning things by wrote is the only way to learn parts of a language. That's just the way it is. We stop learning language like little sponges when we are young. I think it's better that they learn correct speech by wrote than incorrect speech by wrote. |
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I'm no Picasso
Joined: 28 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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| earthbound14 wrote: |
| Jammer113 wrote: |
| why are you trying to discourage your students from branching out from wrote memorization of their text book? |
Sorry I forgot to comment on this.
This is what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to get them to stop repeating verbatim what is actually incorrect or over used because their grammar books told them so or because it has become popular on Korean TV. I expect my students to understand the differences between native English and pidgin English. It is part of their grade from now on.
This stuff is all fine in Korea, but outside of Korea they sound odd if they use it. As a teacher it is our job to help our students be better English speakers. We do them a diservice by allowing poor English to continue. I actually have an entire class dedicated to understanding the difference between Konglish and English. It's fun and helps the students sound more natural when they speak English.
Of course sometimes learning things by wrote is the only way to learn parts of a language. That's just the way it is. We stop learning language like little sponges when we are young. I think it's better that they learn correct speech by wrote than incorrect speech by wrote. |
I make them actually cross things out and write them in correctly in the book. And that includes when they are learning phrases that are technically grammatically correct, but sound f*cking bizarre to the native ear.
Actually physically crossing the thing out seems to help them grasp the concept. It's almost like, well it's okay now -- the books says I can say it this way. Or something. I have no idea. But that's the only way I've found to get anything across as incorrect once they've seen it in a book. |
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