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jkelly80

Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Location: you boys like mexico?
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Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 3:02 am Post subject: |
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| Wiki is easy enough to verify. Check the citations. On average, wiki contains errors 33% of the time, whereas encyclopedia britannica sits at 25%, but with wiki you can check the sources immediately. |
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princess
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: soul of Asia
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Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 4:23 am Post subject: |
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| Global warming is one of the many brainwashing lies of the NWO Orwellians. |
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kcs0001
Joined: 24 Jul 2005
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Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 4:39 am Post subject: |
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Global Warming/Climate change is a substitute religion. Non believers are heretics.
However, I'll give Al Gore some credit for dreaming up the carbon credit
scam. He's laughing all the way to his bank in Zurich. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 5:53 am Post subject: |
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| Anyone who can't see the climate is changing is retarded or less than five years old. Sure it's getting colder in Russia, but hotter in Canada, and places that got a lot of snow get less snow now and places that got no snow get more snow now. The climate is changing and it's not changing in a uniform way, but it will affect almost all of our lives. Whether it's caused by us or not is debatable, but we have to be ready for our way of life to change. |
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jkelly80

Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Location: you boys like mexico?
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Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 6:01 am Post subject: |
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| kcs0001 wrote: |
Global Warming/Climate change is a substitute religion. Non believers are heretics.
However, I'll give Al Gore some credit for dreaming up the carbon credit
scam. He's laughing all the way to his bank in Zurich. |
Yeah, because all carbon taxes collected will go to AL GORE! |
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SeoulFinn

Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Location: 1h from Seoul
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Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 6:44 am Post subject: |
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Of course the climate is changing. In nature nothing stays the same for ever, but that's just normal. Ever heard of Ice Ages and warmer periods of time? Did we cause them as well? Nope. I think that the sun has more to do with the temperature/weather changes than we give it credit for.
Think about it for a moment. Did we, the human race, actually start this latest change or not? Could it be that the accusatory finger should point at our closest star and not to us and our less than 150 years from the start of industrial revolution? Temperature changes are normal and we can do nothing to control it. Hey, maybe quite soon people can cultivate land in Greenland once again.
Even if we shut down all factories, cars, planes, etc. and made a real effort to stop this "warming cycle", could we do it? Could we even slow it down? I doubt that we could do either. |
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moosehead

Joined: 05 May 2007
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Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 6:54 am Post subject: |
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| SeoulFinn wrote: |
Even if we shut down all factories, cars, planes, etc. and made a real effort to stop this "warming cycle", could we do it? Could we even slow it down? I doubt that we could do either. |
that'd be a good step in the right direction.
yes, we could stop a lot but it's debatable as whether or not we are already past the point of no return.
with that said, perhaps the MODS could move this thread over to Current Events where it belongs??  |
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steroidmaximus

Joined: 27 Jan 2003 Location: GangWon-Do
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Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 7:48 am Post subject: |
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Let's make an analogy.
People who are exposed to high doses of radiation will feel some immediate effects: fatigue, vomiting, loss of appetite. Then they'll feel fine for a while. Then, they die.
Enjoy your skiing. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 8:13 am Post subject: |
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There is no scientific consensus.
Sure, all the esl teachers, the sociologist and 'critical studies' types are down. But quite a large number of actual scientists aren't.
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStore_id=83947f5d-d84a-4a84-ad5d-6e2d71db52d9
Read the whole report ^.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech-mainmenu-30/environment/607
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* �I am a skeptic.... Global warming has become a new religion.� � Nobel Prize Winner for Physics, Ivar Giaever.
* �Gore prompted me to start delving into the science again and I quickly found myself solidly in the skeptic camp.... Climate models can at best be useful for explaining climate changes after the fact.� � Meteorologist Hajo Smit of Holland, who reversed his belief in man-made warming to become a skeptic, is a former member of the Dutch UN IPCC committee.
* �The quantity of CO2 we produce is insignificant in terms of the natural circulation between air, water and soil.... I am doing a detailed assessment of the UN IPCC reports and the Summaries for Policy Makers, identifying the way in which the Summaries have distorted the science.� � South African Nuclear Physicist and Chemical Engineer Dr. Philip Lloyd, a UN IPCC co-coordinating lead author who has authored over 150 refereed publications.
* �Many [scientists] are now searching for a way to back out quietly (from promoting warming fears), without having their professional careers ruined.� � Atmospheric physicist James A. Peden, formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center in Pittsburgh.
* �All those urging action to curb global warming need to take off the blinkers and give some thought to what we should do if we are facing global cooling instead.� � Geophysicist Dr. Phil Chapman, an astronautical engineer and former NASA astronaut, served as staff physicist at MIT (Massachusetts Institute of Technology).
* �Creating an ideology pegged to carbon dioxide is a dangerous nonsense.... The present alarm on climate change is an instrument of social control, a pretext for major businesses and political battle. It became an ideology, which is concerning.� � Environmental Scientist Professor Delgado Domingos of Portugal, the founder of the Numerical Weather Forecast group, has more than 150 published articles.
* �Earth has cooled since 1998 in defiance of the predictions by the UN-IPCC.... The global temperature for 2007 was the coldest in a decade and the coldest of the millennium ... which is why �global warming� is now called �climate change.�� � Climatologist Dr. Richard Keen of the Department of Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences at the University of Colorado.
* �I have yet to see credible proof of carbon dioxide driving climate change, yet alone man-made CO2 driving it. The atmospheric hot-spot is missing and the ice core data refute this. When will we collectively awake from this deceptive delusion?� � Dr. G LeBlanc Smith, a retired Principal Research Scientist with Australia�s CSIRO.
* �Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly.... As a scientist I remain skeptical.... The main basis of the claim that man�s release of greenhouse gases is the cause of the warming is based almost entirely upon climate models. We all know the frailty of models concerning the air-surface system.� � Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a PhD in meteorology, and formerly of NASA, who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called �among the most preeminent scientists of the last 100 years.�
* Warming fears are the �worst scientific scandal in the history.... When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.� � UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist.
* �The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn�t listen to others. It doesn�t have open minds.... I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists.� � Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University and a board member of the UN-supported International Year of the Planet.
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brento1138
Joined: 17 Nov 2004
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Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 9:03 am Post subject: |
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Well, most people are uninformed about "Global Warming."
They think that it is a purely man-made phenomenon. Actually, humans just speed up the natural process, that's all. And we've sped it up ALOT. So, in reality, although it is indeed "natural" what is happening now is far quicker/faster/more disastrous than happens naturally. That's why people are concerned. Look at that graph that Al Gore presented in his little documentary. Yes, the Earth's climate is changing. Far faster than it should be.
Climate change is gonna happen, whether you like it or not. Scientists already know that there is a natural cycle on Earth of warming and cooling. They've studied ice-cores and come to obvious conclusions and have graphed when each major ice-age took place. The problem now is that what might have taken 10,000 years will take a mere 100 or less.
Due to human-sped-up global warming, we can expect more moisture in the air and more extreme weather. This leads to more rainfall in some areas, more drought in others. The wet areas get wetter, the dry areas get drier. And in the winter, expect heavier and heavier snowfalls. And also expect, in time, for that snow not to melt. The snow builds and builds, and then guess what? We're in another ice-age.
The cycle continues.
So, it really isn't global warming at all. In the end, it will be global-ice-aging.
Buy tons of land (90 acres may do) in Central America like the Bush family just did! |
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bjonothan
Joined: 29 Apr 2003 Location: All over the place
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Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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It is funny how we give the Koreans so much shit for believing stuff that they read in the media without really considering whether it is true or not. The whole world has just done the same with this climate change stuff. It seems that the climate is changing, but since scientists have only got records of the weather patterns for the last hundred or so years, I don't think that they really know what they are talking about.
About 10,000 years ago, the Tasmanian aborigines and the Australian aborigines were divided due to the rising sea levels. Did they cause global warming at the time or was it part of a natural cycle? What is the difference now?
I can't personally accept what we are being told at the moment. I could believe that we are making the world heat up faster, but that hasn't really been proven. What I can agree to is the fact that we are destroying the planet and we should be spending more time and money on cleaning the place up. I think that Korea, china and other countries with horrible pollution have a lot to answer for. When I tell my friends at home that the rain in Korea is basically acid rain, they are surprised to say the least. I think that countries which are dirty should be the ones pushed to make more of an effort.
In Australia, we are some of the worst polluters per capita (so we are told), but in reality, pollution is not a problem for us due to the size of the population. We still have the cleanest air in the world and most of the country is still quite clean. I don't see why we should have to spend as much of our money on something that we didn't create. We do have a huge hole in the ozone but we are told that was caused by the pollution in the US.
In short, I think that people who believe this climate change stuff without putting too much thought into it are wankers and are no different to Koreans that believe in fan death and the ones that attack people like me for having this kind of opinion are retards. |
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OnTheOtherSide

Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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Climate change is real, an the concept is very simple.
Industrial technology releases lots of CO2 into the atmosphere. CO2 traps heat. Which leads to an overall warming of the atmosphere.
This warming will then have a chain reaction in various ways. Leading to extreme weather conditions of all kinds.
Do you all really think that all the cars, factories, etc. in this world are not having any effect?
The whole concept is so simple, and it has basically been proven beyond all doubt. But then again, people are stupid, so why should we expect people to understand it? |
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bjonothan
Joined: 29 Apr 2003 Location: All over the place
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Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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That is only an assumption. Do you have any hard scientific evidence to prove that? As far as I know, the UN has not come out and said that it definitely is happening. They said it is probably happening. That doesn't tell me that I should be running around crying about the earth when it hasn't even been proven.
Tell me, what is the difference between you people and the fan death believers? They read a story and blindly believe it. Is there any difference? |
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OnTheOtherSide

Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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Well here are a few facts.
It has been proven that CO2 levels in the atmoshpere are at the highest levels they have been in thousands of years.
It has been proven that this causes a lot of changes to our atmoshphere. It traps heat.
It has been proven and it is known that ice caps are melting away and sea levels are slowly rising.
There are a lot of other facts that have been empirically proven. They all point out that there are big changes happening in our atmosphere.
The movie "an inconvienant truth" told a lot of these facts. People discredit Gore and that movie as BS, and some of it was, but overall, that movie spoke the truth.
Some people out there will just never believe anything unless they can actually see it. But this is something that you can't just see like that. Except for in the labrotory experiments in which this phenomenon has been proven.
So I guess some people will keep their heads in the sand their whole lives. There is no solution to it anyway, it's already gotten out of control. So lets just destroy ourselves with a smile. |
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jkelly80

Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Location: you boys like mexico?
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Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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| There is most definitely consensus, maybe not 100% but close to it. Most climatologists, meteorologists, and geologists agree. Most of the opposition within the academic community come from scientists in other fields who don't like the fact that it's become such a hot button politicized issue, which it is. |
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