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Jeff's Cigarettes

Joined: 27 Mar 2007

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 2:42 am Post subject:

You know, if the paleosimians laid down their arms tomorrow, there�d be peace. If the Israelis laid down theirs, there�d be no more Jews in the Middle East.

blade

Joined: 30 Jun 2007

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 3:14 am Post subject:

Jeff's Cigarettes wrote:

You know, if the paleosimians laid down their arms tomorrow, there�d be peace. If the Israelis laid down theirs, there�d be no more Jews in the Middle East.

Yes, and the sugar plum fairy would visit with presents for everybody and the Zionists will then be falling over themselves to give back all of the property they stole over the past sixty years.
Jeff I think you change to a different brand of cigarettes becaus the ones you're smoking right now seem to have you in some sort of fantasy world where Israel is suddenly going to stop treating the Palestinians like animals just because the Palestinians stop resisting the Israeli occupation.

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Trevor

Joined: 16 Nov 2005

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 3:28 am Post subject:

Yea." Let's get back to the Palestinians." REAL QUICK, because you just opened a big can of worms. Israel NEVER existed as a stable, sovereign state for any significant time EVER. THAT'S RIGHT, NEVER. Read the bible. Read ancient history. NEVER. So go take your contention about Palestine never being a sovereign country and go play in traffic with it.

(Gloat, gloat...chortle chortle...gloat gloat).

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

Trevor wrote:

Really? And when was there a sovereign country or state of Israel before 1948? (Careful, now. Do your homework). Wink

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Well first we are talking about the PALESTINIANS claims, not Israel's. So this has nothing to do with it. But I'll humor you. Israel was a nation and long ago before Islam even existed.

Now let's get back to the PALESTINIANS and what claims they are making.[/quote] Embarassed

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Trevor

Joined: 16 Nov 2005

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 3:29 am Post subject:

How about some new slogans? That one is getting real, real tired.

Jeff's Cigarettes wrote:

You know, if the paleosimians laid down their arms tomorrow, there�d be peace. If the Israelis laid down theirs, there�d be no more Jews in the Middle East.

Jandar

Joined: 11 Jun 2008

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 4:07 am Post subject:

Kimbop wrote:

Trevor wrote:

If Israel considers them terrorists, why do they insist that they acknowledge a moral right?

Israel stole land and continues to steal it. By the mechanism of the faux right to exist question Israel and its supporters have succeeded in extorting individuals into silence by the threat of accusations of anti-semitism. It's rather brilliant, really.

The main thing Israel "insists" is that Hamas cease with the rocket firing.

As for land: Israelites/Jews haven't walked the "land of Israel" for the passed two thousand years? News to me. Many diasporamized (and later came home), but many also remained.

Over the years, even at the time of these countries' inceptions, has it not been a little too convenient for Egypt and Jordan to refuse to accept the Palestinian states? Sure, they'll occupy it, but alla forbid they'll allow the offspring of what is now known as Syria to embrace their kinfolk. The muslem world WANTS the palesitinian problem to exist and fester.

Perhaps I'm totally wrong, off-base, and a poopoo head, so please let me know.

Yes your a poopoo head, but I agree with your analysis.

Jandar

Joined: 11 Jun 2008

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 4:14 am Post subject:

Trevor wrote:

How about some new slogans? That one is getting real, real tired.

Jeff's Cigarettes wrote:

You know, if the paleosimians laid down their arms tomorrow, there�d be peace. If the Israelis laid down theirs, there�d be no more Jews in the Middle East.

Here's a slogan for you:

"You love life, but we love death."

Brought to you by Hamas.

Sponsored by your local Madrassa.

blade

Joined: 30 Jun 2007

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 4:15 am Post subject:

Jandar wrote:

Trevor wrote:

How about some new slogans? That one is getting real, real tired.

Jeff's Cigarettes wrote:

You know, if the paleosimians laid down their arms tomorrow, there�d be peace. If the Israelis laid down theirs, there�d be no more Jews in the Middle East.

Here's a slogan for you:

"You love life, but we love death."

Brought to you by Hamas.

Here is another slogan for you.
"We love death because life isn't worth living thanks to Israel"

Jandar

Joined: 11 Jun 2008

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 4:21 am Post subject:

blade wrote:

Jandar wrote:

Trevor wrote:

How about some new slogans? That one is getting real, real tired.

Jeff's Cigarettes wrote:

You know, if the paleosimians laid down their arms tomorrow, there�d be peace. If the Israelis laid down theirs, there�d be no more Jews in the Middle East.

Here's a slogan for you:

"You love life, but we love death."

Brought to you by Hamas.

Here is another slogan for you.
"We love death because life isn't worth living thanks to Israel"

Self fulfilling prophecies gotta love 'em.

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 6:35 am Post subject:

Trevor"]

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Obviously, then, you are not asking me to question Israel's military right to exist, you are asking me to question their moral right to exist and insisting on Hamas' acknowleding Israel's moral right to exist. (Clearly, their military right to exist is a moot point. They're stronger).

No I am saying the US has a right to set conditions on who they talk to.

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]If Israel considers them terrorists, why do they insist that they acknowledge a moral right? Why is it important to extract a moral prerogative from 'terrorists'The reason is because the 'right to exist' is a loaded question. What you are really asking for is an acknowledgement that they have a right to take other people's land. That is the only possible explanation for why they insist that their right ot exist be acknowledged by a group they consider to be terrorsits. Americans are also routinely cowed into acknowledging Israel's right to exist. Failure to do so is equivalent to being a card-carrying antisemite. Why? Same reason. By being cowed into saying that Israel has a right to exist, they relinquish their ability to tell the truth: Israel stole land and continues to steal it. By the mechanism of the faux right to exist question Israel and its supporters have succeeded in extorting individuals into silence by the threat of accusations of anti-semitism. It's rather brilliant, really.

They US has the right to talk to anyone it wants to or not to talk to anyone they want to.

In 1948 Israel's enemies lauched a war of annihilation where all the jews of the area even the arab jews would have been expelled or even killed in mass.

That's a war crime or an attempted war crime.

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Conclusion: The question of Israel's right to exist isn't a real question. It is an excuse to keep stealing land with impunity. If Arabs acknowlege the right, Israel steals land because they insist they have that right. If they don't acknowledge it, then they steal land by claiming they are doing it because the other side says they don't have a right to exist, so its self-defense. It is circular and leads to the same thing -- taking land that doesn't belong to them by force, whether they acknowledge their right to exist or not. Hence, on purely moral terms:

What land are you talking about stealing? In 1967 the West Bank belonged to Jordan and Gaza belonged to Egypt. Besides Israel enemies persecuted their arab jews in response to Israel. That's a war crime too. Does it count or not?

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No. Israel does not have the right to exist. They are genocidal state sponsored terrorists. Very Happy

You mean Israel's enemies aren't out to destroy Israel? Anyway here is a good reason for Israel . Cause Bathists , Khomeni followers and Al Qaedists and anyone of a similar ideological persusasion can't be trusted to govern or protect their minorites.

Anyway I am going to re ask the questions that you did not answer. .

Question one :

Trevor did you ever go to the Russian Embassy to protest against Chechya?

Question two:

is it okay for Israel's enemies to engage in low /mid level war against Israel with no consequences? Do they have the right to do so?

Anyway to answer the rest of what you said If someone engages in one sided selective criticism then it is fair to call in question their motives.

Question three Trevor are Israel's enemies " genocidal state sponsored terrorists" If not what has Israel done worse than them?

Question four

Have Israel's enemies persecuted their minority groups? Do they persecute their minority groups.

Yep selective one sided criticism posing as objective criticism.

I think Hamas wouldn't be attacked if they stopped being out to destroy Israel.

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 6:38 am Post subject:

blade wrote:

Jeff's Cigarettes wrote:

You know, if the paleosimians laid down their arms tomorrow, there�d be peace. If the Israelis laid down theirs, there�d be no more Jews in the Middle East.

In Bill Clintons' peace plan the Palestinian side would have gotten all of Gaza and 90% or more of the West Bank and half of Jeruselem.

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 6:54 am Post subject:

Trevor wrote:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

Trevor wrote:

Really? And when was there a sovereign country or state of Israel before 1948? (Careful, now. Do your homework). Wink

[in.

[/quote]

The only real nations in the middle east that were not created out of something else are Turkey , Iran and Egypt.

Both Israeli and Palestinian are recently created nationalites.

Jeff's Cigarettes

Joined: 27 Mar 2007

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:00 am Post subject:

blade wrote:

Jeff's Cigarettes wrote:

You know, if the paleosimians laid down their arms tomorrow, there�d be peace. If the Israelis laid down theirs, there�d be no more Jews in the Middle East.

Israel is a defacto state...they are supported by the US of A, they aren't going anywhere and there's no one to make them. Game! So keep whining like a bunch of moonbat Pansy's...no one cares. Dead lice don't bite.

blade

Joined: 30 Jun 2007

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:46 pm Post subject:

Jeff's Cigarettes wrote:

blade wrote:

Jeff's Cigarettes wrote:

You know, if the paleosimians laid down their arms tomorrow, there�d be peace. If the Israelis laid down theirs, there�d be no more Jews in the Middle East.

Jeff why don't you just keep smoking the wacky cigerettes and leave the politics stuff to us grownups.

the ireland

Joined: 11 May 2008
Location: korea

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 3:00 pm Post subject:

Jandar wrote:

the ireland wrote:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

the ireland wrote:

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People are allowed to have their own opinions and beliefs. some people believe that Isreal is not a state to be recognised as it was taken from the palistinians and given to Jewish people as a bit of a 'thank you' and a place to call home. which was accepted )kind of at first but then they took advantage and started to take arab land from palistine that wasn't theirs.

then you have the jewish people's belief (and probably the English belief too, they know a thing or two about stealing land Rolling Eyes

)...........

but seriously, either way, an arguement on dave's is hardly going to solve it.

Yes, people are allowed to have their own opinions and beliefs...but when it goes against history, then said people should be educated. Such as this sentence in your post "...but then they took advantage and started to take arab land from palistine that wasn't theirs"

This is nonsense. Israel never took over any land until they were attacked.

I love how you stated Isreal never took any land............until they were attacked, even if it was the case, it doesn't matter, they still took it and it wasn't theirs to take!!! if you hit me does that mean i can take your house??? i'd like to see how that one goes down where you live!!!

Is this the same the Ireland that supported Nazi Germany?

http://www.markhumphrys.com/sfira.tyranny.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRA_Abwehr_WW2

Just making sure we understand your perspective.

Please continue.

When have I supported Nazis??? i glanced at your links, do you think i don't know the history of my own country? in fact if you look further back you will find collaboration during the first world war too. this was not in support of the work the germans were carrying out, the IRA (before it became a purely terrorist organisation) needed weapons to try and fight off the english and claim back our own country, so there was only really one place for them to go to obtain these weapons and that was through german sources!!! however we were defeated in our attempt to obtain it as the english had intelligence ( i know i laugh when i hear that too) about the delivery and we lost the fight in 1916. now you will find that during the 2nd world war it was the ira as an illigitimate army and not ireland who allegedly supported the nazis.

so please continue!!

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Trevor

Joined: 16 Nov 2005

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 3:01 pm Post subject:

Go through and polish up your grammar in that last post and I will consider responding. Your syntax is unclear and I often can't discern your exact meaning. After that, then, okay, we'll link to some charts and maps pertaining to 1967 borders limit TWO maps for each side! No exceptions! and you can explain why you think it nullifies my argument if I didn't go to the Chechnya rally. I'll be Chomsky, you be Dershowitz. Deal? Very Happy

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:

Trevor"]

Quote:

No I am saying the US has a right to set conditions on who they talk to.

Quote:

No. Israel does not have the right to exist. They are genocidal state sponsored terrorists. Very Happy

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