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rookieglobetrotter



Joined: 19 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:42 pm    Post subject: Rookie with questions about Korean job apps and location Reply with quote

Hey everyone,

I am trying to travel abroad to Korea but to be honest I am having trouble sifting through all the information. I'm used to the US way where there is a traditional sit down face to face interview, tour of the job site, and then contract proceedings. I know that the Korean job process is different and to tell you the truth I am kind of wary of signing a 1 year contract before I even meet my boss or see my workplace. So I am sorry if my questions sound stupid, I am new and don't really yet have a clue.

I am applying to a couple different hagwons and PS like EPIK and GEPIK and hope to be in Korea by Feb/Mar.

- All the jobs ask for an apostille of background checks, diplomas, etc. I already have gotten these docs but just 1 originals for each apostille and these have a distinctive watermark and stamp. Do I have to do an original apostille for each job I apply for? Or can I make copies of the apostille and send to different jobs?
- Since I am applying to different jobs, when is the point of no return, as far as telling all but one job no? Cause all the apps I am sending have my signed signature agreeing to their contract already, so I am kind of confused since I haven't been accepted to the job yet. Is it after the company phone interview, in person interview, after I am in Korea? Any links on a walkthrough the general proceedings?
- For Epik contract, I need to list a location. Is there any online guide to ESL teacher Korea locations, I've tried wikipedia each province and looking through this site but am still confused on all the locations, and wary of living some place that doesn't suit me for a year. I don't care about nightlife/sightseeing and just want to work, write, internet, and have a coffee shop and cheap convenient mart where I am at. I don't think I want rural, even tho the pay is higher because transportation is more difficult and the internet may be slower. But I don't think I want too big of a city either or I'll spend too much money and I want to save. Any recommendations of good and bad Epik locations for someone who hasn't traveled much?

I appreciate any help I can get including links to other posts and sorry if my questions were stupid Smile I hope I'm not in over my head. Rolling Eyes

Happy Holidays all!
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kasain



Joined: 25 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Epik will place you. Theres many openings. If you want a chain of small cities where you can save most of your money I suggest Uljin County.

I taught in Seoul, you will work three times as hard for same amount of money. In dague you will make less money then the small towns and still do more work.

The goverment gives 200,000 + for people to come to small towns. They have these on east and west coast. And don't go your first year with a hogwon. Make sure itsd a public school.
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rookieglobetrotter



Joined: 19 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 7:37 pm    Post subject: Location Reply with quote

Kasain,

I really appreciate the reply. I am not able to pm because I don't have enough posts yet, so I will post here. Epik wants me to rank location out of these four. I was thinking I may not want rural anymore for an extra 100,000 KRW and will prefer a mid or large city.

Daegu (+100K KRW), Daejeon(+100K KRW), Gwangju(+100K KRW), Busan.

The first three cities will pay 100,000 KRW more than Busan, but from pictures Busan looks very nice.

How would you rank them as far as quality of job and living? Anything to note of these three cities as far as problems or pluses. I can also perhaps work for GEPIK in Gyeongi which is close to Seoul but the pay will be 2-300,000 KRW less.

I appreciate the help from you or anyone else suggestions thank you.
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Jammer113



Joined: 13 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Cause all the apps I am sending have my signed signature agreeing to their contract already, so I am kind of confused since I haven't been accepted to the job yet. Is it after the company phone interview, in person interview, after I am in Korea? Any links on a walkthrough the general proceedings?


Basically, they're wanting you to commit to them before they commit to you. They need all of these docs to get your visa issuance number. If you send signed contracts* with all of the supporting documents, all they have to do is sign their name on the contract and send them all off to immigration. Then you get a paper or some such that you send (or go in person with) to your local consulate and you get your visa.

If you send all of the appropriate documents including transcripts, background checks, and contract to more than one company, they could potentially all hire you and all send your info to immigration and then immigration is going to start having problems with you.

They're protecting themselves by not signing the contract first. Their basic reasoning is that they already know that this is a crapshoot. They know they can't realistically meet you in person, so they're just going off of your resume/picture. It would be very damaging to them to commit to a foreigner who then decides not to come.

The whole process opens up a lot of potential problems in terms of companies taking and keeping your documents without hiring you, as well as companies hiring worthless foreigners they wouldn't have hired if they'd had an in-person interview. It's considered a necessary risk.

*edited for correctness
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polonius



Joined: 05 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You only need to send the documents to the school you accept a position with. You should have 2 sets of transcripts as some Korean embassies might ask to see them. So, you need to send one to your employer and keep the other. I would scan your documents so that you can email them to prospective schools to show them that you are ready to get the ball rolling.
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DC in Suwon



Joined: 14 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

polonius wrote:
You only need to send the documents to the school you accept a position with. You should have 2 sets of transcripts as some Korean embassies might ask to see them. So, you need to send one to your employer and keep the other. I would scan your documents so that you can email them to prospective schools to show them that you are ready to get the ball rolling.


Yes, I just went throught the whole process of job/recruiter hunting. I made a folder on my cpu just for documents that were always asked for. So then I would just attach to e-mails. Saved a lot of time!
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vampirepirate01



Joined: 14 Oct 2008
Location: Incheon, Korea

PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Busan or Daegu . Busan is awesome according to most of the people who live there. Daegu has alot to offer as well.
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Milwaukiedave



Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong

PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In terms of the location and ranking of the larger four cities, I'd go with:

Busan, Daegu Daejeon and Gwangju in that order.

I've lived in both Daegu and Gwangju and both are hotter then hell during the summer. The other two I have visited a couple of times and Busan seems to get good raves alot by people here for being a good city.
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rookieglobetrotter



Joined: 19 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 4:32 pm    Post subject: Thanks Everyone Reply with quote

Polonius and Jammer thanks for the information about apostilles its pretty tricky stuff for a newbie. So I will do all the interviews (have one in a few minutes actually) and then when I get the offers, I can choose the best offer, and then I would send the docs ONLY to the one I accept. I have sent out a lot of apps and so far GEPIK and EPIK, (and a hagwon but ppl told me to say no) are interested in me so hopefully they can give the fixed offer and contract stipulations soon so I can make my decision.

But as far as the apostille process, like I said I already have one done which I will send to the school I work for, would it be a good idea for me to keep one on hand, say if I love my E-2 visa, or to use for my 2nd year teaching abroad (if I don't want to go back to the U.S. at all and want to stay in Asia), or if I go a second year, will I have to restart the apostille process again because any copies I have would have expired? Thnx again and sorry if I sound too complicated, just want to be careful.

Dave and pirate thanks for your contributions. I am leaning towards Busan and Daegu too and trying to read more about them on wikipedia and whatnot, since I have the Epik interview in a few minutes.

Daegu does pay 100000 Won more, but Busan is by the water (I've always lived by a lake or river), and like you said is cooler. So I'll continue researching them, if you have anything to add about their pros or cons esp about workload or quality of teaching experience please feel free. Thnx everyone again.
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afsjesse



Joined: 23 Sep 2007
Location: Kickin' it in 'Kato town.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is my advice Rookie.

Daegu: It's Korea's third largest city with a population of 2.5 million people. I love it there. It's very organized, especially in the downtown, and all things are readily accessible. The subway is easy, only has 2 lines, and the nightlife is decent and relatively close to everyother place downtown. Only bad things about it is that the people are REALLY conservative there, as are most of the people in both Gyeongsang provinces, speaking from a historical standpoint. It's also really hot there also. Any korean will tell you this.

Busan: It's Korea's second largest city with a populace of 3.66 million people. It has seven beaches all of which vary in quality. Haeundae is the most famous. I lived near Dadaepo beach on the outskirts of the city. Busan has by far the best nightlife outside of Seoul. The subway system is easy to use ahd the people are friendly there. Gwangalli Beach is my favorite and a gem to look at