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John_ESL_White
Joined: 12 Nov 2008
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 7:55 am Post subject: Classroom Rules: Feedback Please |
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Native English Teacher's Classroom Rules
1) Do Not Touch the Native English Teacher (선생님과 선생님의 모든 물건을 만지지 말것)
Do not touch the native English teacher's books
Do not touch the native English teacher's cell phone
Do not touch the native English teacher's coffee/water/tea
2) Do Touch Another Student (학생들간의)
Do not touch another student's books
Do not touch another student's cell phone
3) Fighting - hitting, throwing things, yelling, spitting = GO SEE 원장님 and do not come back to the foreign teacher's class that day (싸움한 학생들은 다시 교실로 들어올수 없다)
4) Writing on the Desk or Wall = GO SEE 원장님
5) Do Not Eat in the Native English Teacher's Class (교실에서 음식을 먹지말것)
6) Do Not Drink in the Native English Teacher's class (교실에서 음료수를 마시지말것)
7) Raise Your hand if you need to go to the bathroom
9) Try to speak in English (영어로 말하려고 노력해 보기)
If you have a ball, a game, a card, a toy, a booger, a phone, an MP3 player, a pack of stickers, a sticker, an eraser, a pencil, a pen, a diary, a notebook, or anything else and you use it to disrupt the Native English Teacher's classroom, you will GO SEE 원장님
9) If you raise your middle finger to the Native English teacher or to another student, you have to GO SEE 원장님 and you can not come back to the Native English Teacher's clasroom that day
10) If you say a say a very bad word in English or Korean to the Native English teacher or to another student, you have to GO SEE 원장님 and you can not come back to the Native English teacher's class that day
You will GO SEE 원장님 in her office and not in my classroom.
After any trip to 원장님, you will need to write an apology stating what you did wrong (반성문 쓰기) and why you want to come back to the foreign teacher's class. This will need to be signed by the 원장님, your mother, your father, and one other teacher at vvvvvvLanguage School. ( 부모님과 다른선생님께 서명 받기)
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This is only for the Native English teacher's Monday and Wednesday classes at vvvvvvand not for the Tuesday and Thursday 'club' classes.
Discipline during Tuesday and Thursday classes are up to the Korean classroom manager who is sitting in the classroom, not the Native English teacher.
Discipline problems during "club classes" will be ignored by the native English speaker until taken care of by the Korean classroom manager.
I agree with these rules and will not cry or complain when they are enforced:
Student Name: _________________
Date: _________________
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I'm no Picasso
Joined: 28 Oct 2008
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 8:04 am Post subject: |
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11. No hitting other people in the face with your slippers.
12. No throwing other people's belongings out the window.
Just suggestions, based on experience.
I've actually confiscated slippers in class before. And I no longer believe anyone is just, "But Teacher, hot! Very hot! Oh, so hot!". |
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antoniothegreat

Joined: 28 Aug 2005 Location: Yangpyeong
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 8:09 am Post subject: |
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good idea. but some thoughts...
first, i wouldnt put the exact punishment. first, that leaves no option to bend rules for certain situations. example, minji talks on her phone and gets punished. later, you have pizza day, and sojin talks on her phone, you dont mind because it is party day. then minji complains, you are playing favorites.
next, i dont like the idea of sending them off and having someone else do your punishments, that takes the power out of your hands. what happens when 원장님 is not there that day? just maybe list possible punishments...
lastly, do not make a list of things you dont want them to touch. if you leave your wedding ring on your desk one day, can they touch it? you didnt write that on the list.... perhaps writing "do not touch my stuff" or "do not touch things that dont belong to you"
lastly, maybe just one rule is needed "act in this class as you would in a korean teacher's class."
but anyways, i commend you. if you act professional , your kids and coteachers will, or should... treat you professionally. |
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John_ESL_White
Joined: 12 Nov 2008
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 8:12 am Post subject: |
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I'm no Picasso wrote: |
11. No hitting other people in the face with your slippers.
12. No throwing other people's belongings out the window.
Just suggestions, based on experience.
I've actually confiscated slippers in class before. And I no longer believe anyone is just, "But Teacher, hot! Very hot! Oh, so hot!". |
Oh, I dream of windows that can open!
I wish I could make a "fart rule"....
and I should've made a clean the area of your table before you leave rule...
ahhh, it's all just spitting in the wind at my place anyway....
I've had kids attack the koreans and they get a pat on the back, a bag of popcorn and a lollipop... so only about the money in my place... |
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maingman
Joined: 26 Jan 2008 Location: left Korea
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 4:56 pm Post subject: rules |
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Jiyeon Kim sent a message to the members of Planet ESL Teachers - South Korea.
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Subject: How to discipline Korean kids in a classroom?
Often teachers get confusend with Korean kids about how to discipline them in a classroom. Some times teachers point at kids not calling their names, then ask them to stand in behind the classroom or ask them to be outside of classroom. This makes some times children feel very ashamed and feel the teachers are very harsh to them. Even often parents come to a school and complain about teachers� behavior.
Here there are cultural differences and teachers need to understand. In Korea, pointing at some one with finger is considered very rude and probably you don�t see it quite often. In a classroom, if a kid get pointed out with finger, the kid gets automatically already feeling ashamed and close his/her mind right away toward the teacher and don�t listen to the teacher any more.
Instead of pointing at a kind, definitely teachers need to put their effort to memorize kids names. Korean names are preferable, but even english names are fine. That shows interests on kids for sure. In my opinion, I think this is the least thing teachers should do.
Instead of pointing at a kind, definitely teachers need to put their effort to memorize kids names. Korean names are preferable, but even english names are fine. That shows interests on kids for sure. In my opinion, I think this is the least thing teachers should do.
Rather than leaving kids behind the classroom or out of classroom, trying giving candies to children who behave better. Korean kids in general are very competitive because of their parents� pressure as you problably already know. Some of you may worry that Candy has so much sugar, so it may make kids go crazy more. But, recent study from one British university reports that sugar or candy doesn�t effect on children�s behavior.
Also, learning and using a few korean sentences or words are really helpful. When teacher uses this in a classroom to discipline, korean kids are really shocked and since then they think that the teachers would understand anything they might say in Korean. So they no longer use Korean in a classroom.
Here are the a few words and sentences.
�Be quiet� : Joyonghee Haseyo (조용히 하세요)
�Come and Sit down�:Waseo Anzseyo (와서 앉으세요)
�Look at the book� : Chaek Boseyo (책 보세요)
These are the recommendations that I can give and these advices came from teachers after they practiced and it made differences in their classrooms. I hope this information helps teachers to have less hard time.
If you have any more advice, please feel free to comment and post. Please also visit our Forum section on our website, www.PlanetESL.com. We keep posting messages that may help our teachers. |
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ChinaBoy
Joined: 17 Feb 2007
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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Screw that shit.
We certainly don't want to shame bad kids, do we?? |
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I'm no Picasso
Joined: 28 Oct 2008
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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John_ESL_White wrote: |
I'm no Picasso wrote: |
11. No hitting other people in the face with your slippers.
12. No throwing other people's belongings out the window.
Just suggestions, based on experience.
I've actually confiscated slippers in class before. And I no longer believe anyone is just, "But Teacher, hot! Very hot! Oh, so hot!". |
Oh, I dream of windows that can open!
I wish I could make a "fart rule"....
and I should've made a clean the area of your table before you leave rule...
ahhh, it's all just spitting in the wind at my place anyway....
I've had kids attack the koreans and they get a pat on the back, a bag of popcorn and a lollipop... so only about the money in my place... |
Yeah they love to point out the gas-passing as well. At least at my all boys middle school. Of course, they don't know the word for it, so while I'm walking around checking exercises, if I happen to suddenly wander into a cloud of nastiness, it's, "Teacher! He!" *points and mimes explosion with hands*
Gross, guys.
And DEFINITELY make them clean the room before they leave. You're not even considered a real teacher until you do this. You'll be amazed how their little eyes will suddenly fill with respect and awe once you insist they push their chairs under and pick up the millions of shredded pieces of erasers, used tissues, and your worksheets before they go.
I agree with the above poster about sending them out of your jurisdiction for punishment, though. It will also impress the Korean staff immensely if you handle your ne'er-do-wells without their assistance.
Anyway, I commend you for trying. I'm thinking of doing something like this for the start of the new year in my classes, but I don't want to get ahead of myself. If you lay down the law on paper, you've got to be ready to really back it up in action, or else you'll be considered a joke. I don't know if I'm ready to take that gamble yet. Just now getting to a passable level of order in the classroom without the co-teachers around.
Why do I keep thinking of Lord of the Flies?
Good luck! |
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Xuanzang

Joined: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Sadang
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 5:56 pm Post subject: Re: rules |
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maingman wrote: |
Jiyeon Kim sent a message to the members of Planet ESL Teachers - South Korea.
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Subject: How to discipline Korean kids in a classroom?
Often teachers get confusend with Korean kids about how to discipline them in a classroom. Some times teachers point at kids not calling their names, then ask them to stand in behind the classroom or ask them to be outside of classroom. This makes some times children feel very ashamed and feel the teachers are very harsh to them. Even often parents come to a school and complain about teachers� behavior.
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They should be shamed if they`re throwing stuff around my class or acting badly. Parents need to realize how matter how hard they wish, their kids are NOT angels. |
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Kimchieluver

Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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ChinaBoy wrote: |
Screw that shit.
We certainly don't want to shame bad kids, do we?? |
In a hogwan the students are the customers. Flat out. Positive reinforcement has been proven to be much more effective than negative reinforcement. I only use negative reinforcement techniques after three strikes. If you don't like having to cow tow to little rug rats,you should apply for a PS position. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 6:06 pm Post subject: Re: rules |
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Jiyeon Kim is full of bs. That crap wasn't true here 30 years ago and it's not true today. It's what JK and many other Koreans wish were true. |
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I'm no Picasso
Joined: 28 Oct 2008
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 6:10 pm Post subject: Re: rules |
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Xuanzang wrote: |
maingman wrote: |
Jiyeon Kim sent a message to the members of Planet ESL Teachers - South Korea.
�������
Subject: How to discipline Korean kids in a classroom?
Often teachers get confusend with Korean kids about how to discipline them in a classroom. Some times teachers point at kids not calling their names, then ask them to stand in behind the classroom or ask them to be outside of classroom. This makes some times children feel very ashamed and feel the teachers are very harsh to them. Even often parents come to a school and complain about teachers� behavior.
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They should be shamed if they`re throwing stuff around my class or acting badly. Parents need to realize how matter how hard they wish, their kids are NOT angels. |
Yeah and I don't actually know what Korean kids this guy's on about anyway. Maybe it's because I work at a "very bad" public school (according to the Korean teachers), but my kids don't care about being sent out into the hall, other than, "Teacher! No hall today! Cold!" and, "But Teacher! Boring!" Too bad, tyke. Should've thought of that before you decided to bust out a full MV version of "Koh Jid Mal" song and dance during my lesson. |
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Kimchieluver

Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 6:12 pm Post subject: Re: rules |
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CentralCali wrote: |
Jiyeon Kim is full of bs. That crap wasn't true here 30 years ago and it's not true today. It's what JK and many other Koreans wish were true. |
Having taught at both, hogwans and PS, there is a big difference in the children's' attitudes at the hogwan. I can't say I blame them either. They are being forced to go to even more school and learn something that really is probably not one of their priorities.
I remember French in Canada was considered an absolute waste of time by many, even though we had it drilled into our heads that your employ ability goes up by 80% if you are near fluent in French.
Sure I shame the kids from time to time, but I also empathize with them. |
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T-J

Joined: 10 Oct 2008 Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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My two cents, if you need this list of rules and a signature, you have already let your class run ram-shot over you and the list will probably not help.
Also, drop the gerunds and stick to polite command form in your Korean if you are going to use it. Maybe have your wife proof it. |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 7:01 pm Post subject: Re: Classroom Rules: Feedback Please |
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John_ESL_White wrote: |
Native English Teacher's Classroom Rules
1) Do Not Touch the Native English Teacher (선생님과 선생님의 모든 물건을 만지지 말것)
Do not touch the native English teacher's books
Do not touch the native English teacher's cell phone
Do not touch the native English teacher's coffee/water/tea
2) Do Touch Another Student (학생들간의)
Do not touch another student's books
Do not touch another student's cell phone
3) Fighting - hitting, throwing things, yelling, spitting = GO SEE 원장님 and do not come back to the foreign teacher's class that day (싸움한 학생들은 다시 교실로 들어올수 없다)
4) Writing on the Desk or Wall = GO SEE 원장님
5) Do Not Eat in the Native English Teacher's Class (교실에서 음식을 먹지말것)
6) Do Not Drink in the Native English Teacher's class (교실에서 음료수를 마시지말것)
7) Raise Your hand if you need to go to the bathroom
9) Try to speak in English (영어로 말하려고 노력해 보기)
If you have a ball, a game, a card, a toy, a booger, a phone, an MP3 player, a pack of stickers, a sticker, an eraser, a pencil, a pen, a diary, a notebook, or anything else and you use it to disrupt the Native English Teacher's classroom, you will GO SEE 원장님
9) If you raise your middle finger to the Native English teacher or to another student, you have to GO SEE 원장님 and you can not come back to the Native English Teacher's clasroom that day
10) If you say a say a very bad word in English or Korean to the Native English teacher or to another student, you have to GO SEE 원장님 and you can not come back to the Native English teacher's class that day
You will GO SEE 원장님 in her office and not in my classroom.
After any trip to 원장님, you will need to write an apology stating what you did wrong (반성문 쓰기) and why you want to come back to the foreign teacher's class. This will need to be signed by the 원장님, your mother, your father, and one other teacher at vvvvvvLanguage School. ( 부모님과 다른선생님께 서명 받기)
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This is only for the Native English teacher's Monday and Wednesday classes at vvvvvvand not for the Tuesday and Thursday 'club' classes.
Discipline during Tuesday and Thursday classes are up to the Korean classroom manager who is sitting in the classroom, not the Native English teacher.
Discipline problems during "club classes" will be ignored by the native English speaker until taken care of by the Korean classroom manager.
I agree with these rules and will not cry or complain when they are enforced:
Student Name: _________________
Date: _________________ |
He he - good luck enforcing that. 원장님's going to be very busy, and in the event she actually gives a shit about all you've written above and thinks it's within your right to enforce it, she'll probably just give you a stick and say 'you take care of it yourself'.
Why don't you just make: 'Rule #1: Don't act Korean' and be done with it? |
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John_ESL_White
Joined: 12 Nov 2008
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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T-J wrote: |
My two cents, if you need this list of rules and a signature, you have already let your class run ram-shot over you and the list will probably not help.
Also, drop the gerunds and stick to polite command form in your Korean if you are going to use it. Maybe have your wife proof it. |
Oh, I did not want to make these rules. I make my kids open their notebooks on day one and they copy rules as I write them on the white board.
But, wongjangnim wants a list. So, that is what I came up with. She can proof it. I don't like my wife doing my work.
And, the list:
It really applies to about 10 kids out of 120.
I've NEVER had to make a list of rules before. It's silly.
I handle my classes fine and I do NOT need to send them out; but, on the odd day when they are actually fighting and kids are getting hurt, I have to get a Korean and the two times that has happened, the wongjannim has chasticised me for "not being able to control" my class.
AHHHHH!.
This is me throwing up my hands up.
I teach rowdy kids in my private time and I take care of discipline. No hitting, no embarrasing, no sending out
... I constantly read edu journals re: discipline, etc. I know what to do and how to do it in a non-ESL class; I pick other teachers' brains... I pick the brain of family members who've been doing it professionally for 15+ years.... I'm not a slacker.
But, when I have two 3rd graders screaming, hitting, and throwing fists and I do not know what the problem is, I NEED Korean intervention.
My Korean is decent, but not good enough to tell what two 3rd graders are screaming back and forth.
And, for GOD's sake; when there is a Korean in the room and chaos ensues! What should I do? Take charge or let the Korean put down her cell and sort it out?
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When most of my kids see these rules, they'll laugh and say, "why teacher? we don't do that".
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Anyway, I have to admit: I'm not used to the young ones. I'm used to middle school, high school, and 6th grade elem.
Then I came here (this JOB, not Korea- I've been in Korea at jobs teaching older kids for years). I came to this job becaue the money was ridiculous.
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This is the first time I've EVER dealt with 1st, 2nd, 3rd graders...... It's not my cup of coffee.
I HATE Teaching THE YOUNG KIDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Very soon, I will post my job. It pays very well. I'm going back to my age group- middle school and HS. Just waiting to be paid on the 17th and then having the "talk".
I swear they want an entertainer, not a teacher. If you are a happy-go-lucky-funny person.....this will be your dream job. |
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