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2008: Another Grim Year for the Global Warmers
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kcs0001



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 4:01 pm    Post subject: 2008: Another Grim Year for the Global Warmers Reply with quote

I have been freezing my hindquarters off here in Payson, AZ. Where is the warming? Ahem, I mean climate change?

http://www.hawaiireporter.com/story.aspx?b6b39c2d-38f4-4afa-bb6e-ddbbe163233e

2008: Another Grim Year for the Global Warmers
By Michael R. Fox Ph.D., 1/2/2009 10:45:23 AM
The year 2008 marked the tenth consecutive year of no global warming. This is not widely reported or known. In fact the Earth has been cooling for the last 6 years.

Richard Lindzen

A profound analysis of the global warming issues including huge political issues was written and presented in August this year by Dr. Richard Lindzen, climatologist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT). (http://tinyurl.com/6lcelj). He asks two very important questions:


1. Has the global warming alarm become the goal itself, instead of the result of scientific research?

2. Is climate science really designed to answer questions or promote political goals?
Too often we witness climate alarmism being promoted while solid science is ignored, misrepresented, or downplayed. This makes great fodder for scary movies, scary news articles, and scary documentaries, but it is still bad science.

We also note that the nearly $5 billion/year being spent on global warming research is buying a lot of name-calling, ad hominem attacks, and all around nastiness by many of the indentured recipients of that money.

Such behavior certainly is not scientific. In fact it inhibits the progress of science, and the intelligent formulations of science and energy policies. If half the participants are ignored by the science journals, insulted with ad hominem attacks by the promoters, and ignored and dismissed by the media, then the simple and rational scientific processes are stopped.

Lindzen describes the origins of global warming alarm, the political agenda of the alarmists, their intimidation tactics, and the reasons for their success. Also, in painstaking detail, he debunks their key scientific claims and counterclaims. This Lindzen paper, although quite lengthy, is must reading for all decision makers, energy policy makers, and their staffs. Of course it would also help if the entire US population and the media read it as well, to help them understand the unscientific political processes taking place right before their eyes.

Les Kinsolving

Writer Kinsolving reports more of the bad news (http://tinyurl.com/8xnox9 ). As Dr. David Gee at the University of Uppsala Sweden asks "For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?"---Geologist Dr. David Gee, chairman of the science committee of the 2008 International Geological Congress, has authored 130-plus peer-reviewed papers, and currently is at Uppsala University of Sweden. As if this weren�t bad enough, the list of credentialed skeptics is growing by leaps and bounds.

Kinsolving provides a number of other important quotations from the scientists who don�t accept the dogma of man-made global warming:


1. "I am a skeptic. ... Global warming has become a new religion." � Nobel Prize winner for physics Ivar Giaever.

2. "Anyone who claims that the debate is over and the conclusions are firm has a fundamentally unscientific approach to one of the most momentous issues of our time." � Solar physicist Dr. Pal Brekke, senior adviser to the Norwegian Space Centre in Ohio.

3. "It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don't buy into anthropogenic global warming." � U.S. government atmospheric scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA.

4. "After reading (U.N. IPCC Chairman) Pachauri's asinine comment (comparing skeptics to) Flat Earthers, it's hard to remain quiet." � Climate statistician Dr. William M. Briggs.

5. "All those urging action to curb global warming need to take off the blinkers and give some thought to what we should do if we are facing global cooling instead." � Geophysicist Dr. Phil Chapman, an astronautical engineer and former NASA astronaut, serving as staff physicist at Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

6. "The (global warming) scaremongering has its justification in the fact that it is something that generates funds." � Award-winning paleontologist Dr. Eduardo Tonni, of the Committee for Scientific Research in Buenos Aires and head of the Paleontology Department at the University of La Plata.

7. "Earth has cooled since 1998 in defiance of the predictions by the U.N.-IPCC. ... The global temperature for 2007 was the coldest in a decade and the coldest of the millennium ... which is why 'global warming' is now called 'climate change.'" � Climatologist Dr. Richard Keen of the Department of Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences at the University of Colorado.

The Petition Project

There are many more scientists and engineers who do not accept the fuzzy �science� of global warming. More than 31,000 of them are now listed on the Petition Project, including more than 9000 Ph.D.s (http://tinyurl.com/5o5dxl). These 31,000 scientists, engineers, and medical professionals sign a simple statement which says:

�We urge the United States government to reject the global warming agreement that was written in Kyoto, Japan, in December, 1997, and any other similar proposals. The proposed limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind. There is no convincing scientific evidence that the human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing, or will in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth�s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth�s climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth.�

This is not an unreasonable appeal by very well educated people asking our government not to fall for the steady stream of a continuing hoax. Solid evidence is needed. If we don�t get the science right, we won�t get the policy right.

Christopher Booker

The irrepressible Christopher Booker has noted the large changes in the global warming events during 2008 (http://tinyurl.com/8p7d83).

These include:


1. Global temperatures continue to decline. Booker says �The decline in global temperatures was wholly unpredicted by all those computer models which have been used as the main drivers of the scare. Last winter, as temperatures plummeted, many parts of the world had snowfalls on a scale not seen for decades. This winter, with the whole of Canada and half the US under snow, looks likely to be even worse. After several years flatlining, global temperatures have dropped sharply enough to cancel out much of their net rise in the 20th century.�

2. Booker continues �secondly, 2008 was the year when any pretence that there was a "scientific consensus" in favour of man-made global warming collapsed. At long last, as in the Manhattan Declaration last March, hundreds of proper scientists, including many of the world's most eminent climate experts, have been rallying to pour scorn on that "consensus" which was only a politically engineered artifact, based on ever more blatantly manipulated data and computer models programmed to produce no more than convenient fictions�.

3. �Thirdly, as banks collapsed and the global economy plunged into its worst recession for decades, harsh reality at last began to break in on those self-deluding dreams which have for so long possessed almost every politician in the western world. As we saw in this month's Poznan conference, when 10,000 politicians, officials and "environmentalists" gathered to plan next year's "son of Kyoto" treaty in Copenhagen, panicking politicians are waking up to the fact that the world can no longer afford all those quixotic schemes for "combating climate change" with which they were so happy to indulge themselves in more comfortable times�.
Summary

A nation which abolishes its fossil energy sources (coal. oil, and natural gas), nuclear energy, hydro energy, as these political forces are pushing, will lose all of the energy needed for our industries, homes, and infrastructure such as hospitals, office buildings, schools, and hotels. A powerful nation such as ours cannot sustain its energy needs on sunbeams and gentle breezes, as many of the warmers propose. That pathway to the future is dangerous and instead is a pathway to economic suicide

Michael R. Fox, Ph.D., a science and energy reporter for Hawaii Reporter and a science analyist for the Grassroot Institute of Hawaii, is retired and now lives in Eastern Washington. He has nearly 40 years experience in the energy field. He has also taught chemistry and energy at the University level. His interest in the communications of science has led to several communications awards, hundreds of speeches, and many appearances on television and talk shows. He can be reached via email at mailto:[email protected]

Reach Hawaii Reporter editor Malia Zimmerman at mailto:[email protected]
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Global Temperatures from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Adminstration

The warmest decade ever was from 1997 to 2007.

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2007/20071213_climateupdate.html
"The global annual temperature − for combined land and ocean surfaces �
for 2007 is expected to be near 58.0 F � and would be the fifth warmest
since records began in 1880. Some of the largest and most widespread
warm anomalies occurred from eastern Europe to central Asia.

Including 2007, seven of the eight warmest years on record have
occurred since 2001 and the 10 warmest years have all occurred since
1997. The global average surface temperature has risen between 0.6�
C and 0.7�C since the start of the twentieth century, and the rate of
increase since 1976 has been approximately three times faster than the
century-scale trend.

The greatest warming has taken place in high latitude regions of the
Northern Hemisphere. Anomalous warmth in 2007 contributed to the
lowest Arctic sea ice extent since satellite records began in 1979,
surpassing the previous record low set in 2005 by a remarkable 23 percent.
According to the National Snow and Ice Data Center, this is part
of a continuing trend in end-of-summer Arctic sea ice extent reductions of
about 10 percent per decade since 1979."

U.S. Winter Temperature Highlights 2008

In the contiguous United States, the average winter temperature was 33.2�F (0.6�C), which was 0.2�F (0.1�C) above the 20th century average � yet still ranks as the coolest since 2001. It was the 54th coolest winter since national records began in 1895.

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2008/20080313_coolest.html
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please please PLEASE stop listening to Lindzen. He's a professional obfuscater. In fact, he worked (in a "scientific capacity") for the tobacco compainies claiming (even up til at least 2001) that the connection between cigarette smoke and lung cancer is "tenuous".

And I don't see the "reporter" include any peer reviewed support for the story's most basic claim. "According to a new study by _____"; that's all I'd expect.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What does it matter when one day we will die and our ashes will fly in the aeroplane over the sea?
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RACETRAITOR



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So there's some global warming, some global cooling, and major changes in precipitation around the world.

I guess it's a victory for global climate change theories, at least.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Global warming will probably have a net positive effect on the world. Maybe some pacific islands will get flooded or something but world food production will increase because of warmer climates.

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The warmest decade ever was from 1997 to 2007.


This article doesn't prove that global warrming is man made or that it's is even caused by carbon emmissions.
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Global warming will probably have a net positive effect on the world. Maybe some pacific islands will get flooded or something but world food production will increase because of warmer climates.
This is somewhat true.
1) Pacific island will get flooded (cause of oceans rising). Of those oceans continue to rise though, a VERY VERY significant portion of the world's population lives in cities next to the ocean. This will have SOME impact on those cities.
2) Food production will increase but NOT everywhere. Some places will suffer from lack of moisture; some will get too much.

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This article doesn't prove that global warrming is man made or that it's is even caused by carbon emmissions.
First you gotta convince people that the world is actually getting warmer.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rusty Shackleford wrote:
Global warming will probably have a net positive effect on the world. Maybe some pacific islands will get flooded or something but world food production will increase because of warmer climates.

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The warmest decade ever was from 1997 to 2007.


This article doesn't prove that global warrming is man made or that it's is even caused by carbon emmissions.


This shows a very limited understanding of ecology. Just because it is warmer does not mean you get an increase in productivity. You will get plant and animal pests invading new areas. The climate will change, areas that once got enough rain will suffer droughts, others will flood. Farmers will have to change crops, breed new cultivars.

In the short to medium term transition phase it will be difficult, in the long term we will probably be okay.

Also think about all the low land highly productive farm land in river deltas which will flood
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I come from a province that's traditionally had a major agricultural industry, but for the past long while the droughts have really put a stop on it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This shows a very limited understanding of ecology. Just because it is warmer does not mean you get an increase in productivity. You will get plant and animal pests invading new areas. The climate will change, areas that once got enough rain will suffer droughts, others will flood. Farmers will have to change crops, breed new cultivars.


How do you know this will happen? Specifically plant pests. Why did you choose this example?

The climate will definitely change. It has been since time began. What makes you think it is caused by man? And what makes you think we can change it?

Not trying to have a go. I read State of Fear in the weekend and it made me skeptical. Even though it's a fiction novel, it's well footnoted.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rusty Shackleford wrote:
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This shows a very limited understanding of ecology. Just because it is warmer does not mean you get an increase in productivity. You will get plant and animal pests invading new areas. The climate will change, areas that once got enough rain will suffer droughts, others will flood. Farmers will have to change crops, breed new cultivars.


How do you know this will happen? Specifically plant pests. Why did you choose this example?

The climate will definitely change. It has been since time began. What makes you think it is caused by man? And what makes you think we can change it?

Not trying to have a go. I read State of Fear in the weekend and it made me skeptical. Even though it's a fiction novel, it's well footnoted.


I don't know it's going to happen. It's science there are no guarantees esp with something as complex as long range climate forecasting.

You're right, the climate will change, nobody is debating this. Climatologists are not fighting over whether the climate changes. What they are fighting about is the rate of change, whether there is going to be an observable change within our life times.

I don't have the figures with me but there has been significant increases in the levels of both CO2 and methane in the atmosphere both of which are greenhouse gases. However CO2 is not the main greenhouse gas, it is actual water vapour. What happens is the CO2 and methane causes a small increase in temperature. Warmer temperature means that air can hold more water causing a feed back loop.

The science holds up and there has been an observed increase in temperature since the industrural age (granted not a constant increase).

Sorry your other question why plant pests? (by the way plant pests actually means weeds, they were renamed a few years ago Laughing ).
Think about 90% of our current food crops, wheat, rice, corn etc. They are all plants that grow in temperate areas. If temperatures increase then tropical plants some of which have insane weed potential will be able to move into areas where they have no natural limiting factors and can out compete the plants around them. We can move our farms north and south but establishing farms takes time and it is no certainty that they will be successful.

well got to go
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I don't know it's going to happen. It's science there are no guarantees esp with something as complex as long range climate forecasting.


Exactly there are no guarantees. So why would you put so much faith in it?

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You're right, the climate will change, nobody is debating this. Climatologists are not fighting over whether the climate changes. What they are fighting about is the rate of change, whether there is going to be an observable change within our life times.



I'm sure there will be an observable change but what evidence is there to say the change is man made. And that we could change it for the better if we wanted to. Law of unintended consequences anyone?


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I don't have the figures with me but there has been significant increases in the levels of both CO2 and methane in the atmosphere both of which are greenhouse gases. However CO2 is not the main greenhouse gas, it is actual water vapour. What happens is the CO2 and methane causes a small increase in temperature. Warmer temperature means that air can hold more water causing a feed back loop.


I don't have the figures with me either but the actual total of Co2 in the atmosphere is less than 2 %. A 20% increase in CO2 still makes the total CO2 in the atmosphere very small.

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The science holds up and there has been an observed increase in temperature since the industrural age (granted not a constant increase).


Show me some some evidence that the science holds up. I will not dispute that the temperature in industrial cities has icreased since the industrial revolution. However cities are inherently warmer than virgin land that hasn't been developed by humans. Couldn't the increase in temperature be attributed to this?

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Sorry your other question why plant pests? (by the way plant pests actually means weeds, they were renamed a few years ago Laughing ).
Think about 90% of our current food crops, wheat, rice, corn etc. They are all plants that grow in temperate areas. If temperatures increase then tropical plants some of which have insane weed potential will be able to move into areas where they have no natural limiting factors and can out compete the plants around them. We can move our farms north and south but establishing farms takes time and it is no certainty that they will be successful.


Sorry but this is simply conjecture.

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well got to go


Much of the climate change "science" is based on computer models which make huge assumptions for unknown variable eg. cloud cover. The plain truth is that climate is far too complex to predict. And much of the drive behind environmentalism is from throw back pseudo-hippies from the 60s who aren't especially interested in science.

Global warming ( which has since morphed into climate change) is simply a new religion which comes with all the get out of jail free cards that the traditional religions use.

Let me clarify that I am not a "climate change" denier. Neither am I a weather change denier or a species change denier. Climates simply change.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Climate skeptics love citing MIT prof Richard Lindzen, probably because, well, there aren't many other semi-legitimate skeptics left to cite. This guy has made a living off defending Exxon Mobil.
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Sea Ice Ends Year at Same Level as 1979


http://www.dailytech.com/Article.aspx?newsid=13834
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