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fruitcake
Joined: 18 Apr 2004
Location: shinchon
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| yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
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too true. I'm at 7 years and WELL past the breaking point.
i'm getting the *&%* out of here next month |
Are you sure? You know? Being a fruitcake and all? |
got me, guess I've always been at the breaking point.
so, I've decided to follow my head, heart and intestinal tract and go pursue music. would like to have an MA in jazz studies before I hit the age of 40. I'm 36 now. I'm aware of the lack of money in the field, but seeing how music is the only thing I seem to care about, it feels right. I'd regret it if I didn't.
the English teaching thing has run its course.
party on |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!
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| Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm certified that you can accomplish it. |
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:00 pm Post subject: Re: What is a good 10-year goal for living in Korea? |
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| Hanson wrote: |
| Meh... I don't have either of those things (CELTA, MA), and I really don't think I need them at this point. After 8 years of teaching in Korea, what good would a CELTA or MA do for me except to have a piece of paper...? The cost (in time and money) far outweighs the benefit, IMO. My experience and teaching methodology got me my current job over another candidate who had the MA. |
Yes, but you couldn't get my job despite the fact that you would be one of the best teachers. |
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robot
Joined: 07 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:11 pm Post subject: Re: What is a good 10-year goal for living in Korea? |
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| Meh... I don't have either of those things (CELTA, MA), and I really don't think I need them at this point. After 8 years of teaching in Korea, what good would a CELTA or MA do for me except to have a piece of paper...? The cost (in time and money) far outweighs the benefit, IMO. My experience and teaching methodology got me my current job over another candidate who had the MA. |
Yes, but you couldn't get my job despite the fact that you would be one of the best teachers. |
I feel the same way as Hanson. An advanced degree would do nothing to help me in Korea... once you've reached a certain point with experiences and accomplishments, those could be equally convincing. As rewarding as the classwork would be, I don't want to waste time on a piece of paper that wouldn't significantly increase my job options and paycheck.
True, some univeristies might close the door to people without a higher degree, but if these folks have an impressive resume, they could likely land a position at least as good somewhere else. |
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Pa Jan Jo A Hamnida
Joined: 27 Oct 2006
Location: Not Korea
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| Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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Your average Dave's poster and ESL "teacher" rolled up into one package 
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| I have no goals nor plans and never will. |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Scotticus wrote: |
A good ten year plan for Korea?
Not being here, is probably your best bet. Korea's great for 3-5 years, but the idea of staying any longer is so out of the question if you have any standards for quality of life. Let's not even get into the possibility of *shudder* raising a family here... |
Imagine the long-term health consequences of the filthy air, water, indoor smoking, and whatever is stinking up the city streets.  |
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Thiuda
Joined: 14 Mar 2006
Location: Religion ist f�r Sklaven geschaffen, f�r Wesen ohne Geist.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 7:01 am Post subject: Re: What is a good 10-year goal for living in Korea? |
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| yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
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| beaver wrote: |
1 ~ 2 years -- get CELTA
3 ~ 5 years -- get an MA TESOL
5 ~ 10 years -- work through the system trading up for more attractive jobs |
Meh... I don't have either of those things (CELTA, MA), and I really don't think I need them at this point. After 8 years of teaching in Korea, what good would a CELTA or MA do for me except to have a piece of paper...? The cost (in time and money) far outweighs the benefit, IMO. My experience and teaching methodology got me my current job over another candidate who had the MA.
OP, ten years is a long time and a lot can happen from now to 2019. I'd stick to more short-term (1-2 years) goals and go from there. |
Double meh. Can't believe these people who waste time and money on worthless education just to teach English. "Oooh. They taught me so many useful theories blah, blah, blah."
It ain't rocket science. |
Irony: Educators belittling education.
When I read posts like I can't help but think of The Ant and the Grasshopper, one of Aesop's fables. |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!
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| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:16 am Post subject: Re: What is a good 10-year goal for living in Korea? |
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| Thiuda wrote: |
| yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
| Hanson wrote: |
| beaver wrote: |
1 ~ 2 years -- get CELTA
3 ~ 5 years -- get an MA TESOL
5 ~ 10 years -- work through the system trading up for more attractive jobs |
Meh... I don't have either of those things (CELTA, MA), and I really don't think I need them at this point. After 8 years of teaching in Korea, what good would a CELTA or MA do for me except to have a piece of paper...? The cost (in time and money) far outweighs the benefit, IMO. My experience and teaching methodology got me my current job over another candidate who had the MA.
OP, ten years is a long time and a lot can happen from now to 2019. I'd stick to more short-term (1-2 years) goals and go from there. |
Double meh. Can't believe these people who waste time and money on worthless education just to teach English. "Oooh. They taught me so many useful theories blah, blah, blah."
It ain't rocket science. |
Irony: Educators belittling education.
When I read posts like I can't help but think of The Ant and the Grasshopper, one of Aesop's fables. |
I'm getting paid to teach English and that's what I do. I don't need anyone teaching me how to teach English. It's a waste of my time and money.
When I read posts like yours, I can't help but think of moronic people trying to look smart who provide links that I don't click. |
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weatherman
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Unless you're the ulimate pro such as the Beaver, getting ahead in Korea over a 10 year span usually will mean getting an F visa so you can have some legal rights and protections. |
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Scotticus
Joined: 18 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 9:01 pm Post subject: Re: What is a good 10-year goal for living in Korea? |
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| yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
I'm getting paid to teach English and that's what I do. I don't need anyone teaching me how to teach English. It's a waste of my time and money.
When I read posts like yours, I can't help but think of moronic people trying to look smart who provide links that I don't click. |
Yeah, but here's the thing. Is it possible to be a great teacher without formal training? Sure. Is an Ed. degree, CELTA, etc, necessary to teach English? Nah. However, I'd be willing to put some money down that you're not half the teacher you think you are, based purely on your attitude toward the very possibility of trying to better oneself.
This reminds me of an article I read a while back. It was talking about a research study that was done. Basically, the findings were this: the more proficient a person is at something, the more apt they are to OVERestimate the abilities of their peers and to consider themselves in need of more work. Most interestingly, the opposite seems to be equally true. The more amatuerish someone is at a skill, the more confident they tend to feel about their own abilities at it. Because they're clueless about the topic they're judging themselves on, they lack the ability to form an accurate or even remotely realistic view of their own abilities.
http://www.math.wisc.edu/~miller/old/incomp.txt |
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ThingsComeAround
Joined: 07 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks all, for some very interesting responses.
Currently I finished my 1-year stint at a hagwon. Thankfully I was able to get out of this atmosphere and currently I await a Notice of Appointment for a public school.
Some of you may be pleased to know that I am considering further advancement, for my TEFL but I will also look into CELTA, as I would like to work with adults in my future. Then again, Uni is also an option~
Thought about the possibility of settling down also, however that won't be for another 2 years (even though my gf keeps me very happy  )
This thread has been quite positive and I am happy to read what all of you have to share... Thanks again!     |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:04 am Post subject: Re: What is a good 10-year goal for living in Korea? |
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| yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
| Thiuda wrote: |
| yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
| Hanson wrote: |
| beaver wrote: |
1 ~ 2 years -- get CELTA
3 ~ 5 years -- get an MA TESOL
5 ~ 10 years -- work through the system trading up for more attractive jobs |
Meh... I don't have either of those things (CELTA, MA), and I really don't think I need them at this point. After 8 years of teaching in Korea, what good would a CELTA or MA do for me except to have a piece of paper...? The cost (in time and money) far outweighs the benefit, IMO. My experience and teaching methodology got me my current job over another candidate who had the MA.
OP, ten years is a long time and a lot can happen from now to 2019. I'd stick to more short-term (1-2 years) goals and go from there. |
Double meh. Can't believe these people who waste time and money on worthless education just to teach English. "Oooh. They taught me so many useful theories blah, blah, blah."
It ain't rocket science. |
Irony: Educators belittling education.
When I read posts like I can't help but think of The Ant and the Grasshopper, one of Aesop's fables. |
I'm getting paid to teach English and that's what I do. I don't need anyone teaching me how to teach English. It's a waste of my time and money.
When I read posts like yours, I can't help but think of moronic people trying to look smart who provide links that I don't click. |
Teaching involves a life long learning process. There is always ways you can improve in the craft of teaching. I can't overly criticize you, as I used to have the same attitude. Not that it was a waste of money, but rather that since I had been teaching for almost 10 years, what could they teach me about teaching.
I can say after being in a formal teaching program there are tons of things I didn't know, and if I had known them earlier, I would have been an even better teacher.
A good teacher is open to suggestions and ways to improve. I suggest you become more open minded. |
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egabriel
Joined: 02 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 11:18 pm Post subject: I'm Raising My Family in Korea |
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Human Resource Instructor Opening-If you know someone who might be interested have them send me their resume. The criteria I was given was: must be around 30 years old or older and white with some teaching experience. I only had 1 year of teaching experience when I was hired, but a lot of other business related experience and years of private tutoring in the States. I was going to have someone pay me 3,000,000 won to give them this job, but I'll settle for a healthy, "thank God".
3.0-3.1 mil to start
Company Car (2007 matiz)
insurance provided
maintenance provided
100 liters of gas/mo
2-bed apartment (everything included)
8-5pm
12 max teaching hours
teaching korean employees
severance
insurance 50%
pension 50%
Work Mon-Thurs (Class prep Friday)
No pressure, create classes to fit your teaching style atmosphere. Priceless.
I hope to hear from you soon. Call me or email me 010-4906-1478
God bless,
Eric |
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marlow
Joined: 06 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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| so, I've decided to follow my head, heart and intestinal tract and go pursue music. |
Awesome. You are doing the right thing.
Very few jobs in Korea will lead to a future where you will be respected and content, in my opinion. |
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Seon-bee
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: ROK
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| Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't need anyone teaching me how to teach English. |
This is classic cowboy. Reminds of a movie...what was that movie?
"If you're the cops, where are your badges?"
"Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges!" |
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