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Can you get CELTA in Seoul?
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antgonz



Joined: 30 Nov 2007

PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:33 am    Post subject: Can you get CELTA in Seoul? Reply with quote

Do they offer it here and for how much? Does it help with raises and marketability?
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bangbayed



Joined: 01 Dec 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.britishcouncil.org/korea-teacher-development-courses-celta.htm
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You certainly can.

The biggest problems are that they only accept a small number of people when they do offer it, and the excessively high cost of doing it in Seoul, which is higher than other places. They must see Korea as a big cash-cow of teachers with more disposable income, so they charge a million won more for the course here.

When I looked into taking it two years ago, I was told that they were all full. I then asked if I could get on the list for the next one. They said I would have to wait and call back on XX date several months in the future "if" they even decided to offer it again.

I also determined it was about the same cost to fly to Thailand, pay the Thai CELTA expenses, and a for hotel, as it was simply to pay CELTA expenses here. Yes, they do gouge you considerably in Seoul (at least they did when I checked). Do a google search on CELTA Thailand, or any other country.

Ultimately, I took another TEFL course. If you plan on traveling the world, the CELTA or Trinity are probably the best you can take. If you are just staying in Korea, either take nothing or do a low-cost online course of over 100 hours. Long-termers who plan on staying in Korea, and not doing an MA, should look into the Sookmyung TEFL course.
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antgonz



Joined: 30 Nov 2007

PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks
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weatherman



Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I studied for my CELTA in Seoul about four years ago. 2.2 million I think it was then. Worth every cent and more.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

weatherman wrote:
Worth every cent and more.

Yes. In think so and I went to Auckland, New Zealand to do mine in January 2005 after my second contract in Korea, enjoying the summer down there Cool worth every penny, the trip and the course.

Vietnam and Thailand are closer and cheaper with great ancillary benefits: educational tourism I believe they call it. Do your CELTA there.

If I hadn't done my CELTA I don't think I'd still be teaching ESL after six years. It was like a boost in the arm. I've been happy teaching ever since, using practical skills they train you for, some every day, others just once in a while. It's like bootcamp. A high school science teacher with years of experience in ps dropped out because he couldn't do the techniques taught: he too ingrained in teacher talk blabbering on and on to passive listening students. CELTA is all about engaging the students, designing lessons which get them active doing things in pairs and groups, with the teacher as organizer, feedback provider and coach.

Good luck whatever.
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Whistleblower



Joined: 03 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Done the CELTA 2 years ago and I considered the investment worth every penny. The benefits way out the costs and you are able to continue to develop as a teacher after the CELTA.

After the CELTA, I am now an examiner, teacher and provide marking for tests.
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i4NI



Joined: 17 May 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really wonder if the Celta is that much better than the other certificates. It is much more expensive, but is it that much better for you personally as a teacher? What I mean is will it really make you a more effective teacher compared to other certification programs since it's the most expensive?

Also were you guys able to work and complete your CELTA at the same time?

What time is the class at normally? I couldn't find the info on the website.


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bogey666



Joined: 17 Mar 2008
Location: Korea, the ass free zone

PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm very interested in this discussion and wouldn't mind pay 2.2 mil won to do it.

being able to do it while working in Korea seems preferable to having to travel to Vietnam and do it there, while paying half or even more the price. (despite the fact living in Vietnam would be a hell of a lot more fun and interesting)

but can I get it done while doing a normal PS teaching load?
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i4NI wrote:
I really wonder if the Celta is that much better than the other certificates. It is much more expensive, but is it that much better for you personally as a teacher?

they hold your feet to the fire every day, teaching and being critiqued by other teachers in your teaching every day, directed and counselled by well experienced and well educated course directors: the constant feedback is incredible, progress inevitable

there are HUNDREDS of testimonials online from people who've taken the course. i've never come across a griper, though i'm sure one or two could be found if you really really try

the CELTA approach is set and rigid and supervised by someone hired by Cambridge to ensure the location offering the course abides by the CELTA standards. It's reputable, the most reputable, because of its high standards and set of check and balances. Hire a CELTA grad and you know what you are getting. The other certificate programs are largely a crap shoot (with a few exceptions, like the Trinity program).

If you think you can get an equivalent "education" thru a cheap online program then Laughing Laughing Laughing you are ignorant as hell!
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bogey666 wrote:
...can I get it done while doing a normal PS teaching load?

Shocked I had nothing else on my plate and I wondered several times if I could get it done! It's intensive, a lot of hard work, I can't imagine having ANYTHING ELSE to do. I took every Sunday off during the course - on principle, to keep my sanity - but I felt guilty for doing so, with so much to do, and so much that could be done.

Don't be cheap. Combine a vacation from work with it, educational tourism. It really is something. You won't regret it.
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i4NI



Joined: 17 May 2008
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What time was the class at and how long was it per day?
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i4NI wrote:
What time was the class at and how long was it per day?

varies.. where i was it was 8am to 4pm (with a lunch break), the mornings for INPUT from course supervisors and feedback from previous day teaching reviewed, the afternoon for supervised and critiqued TEACHING of lessons one designs (in one's extra time, usually the evenings), teaching and providing feedback to the teaching of others one observes.

two of the four weekends were devoted to writing the longer two required essays, though because I wanted to take Sundays off I had some late thursday and Friday nights.

CELTA grads often develop friendships, you get TIGHT with those you take the course with, since it is like bootcamp, you work together, help each other out, though some go it alone too.
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Otherside



Joined: 06 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did it in Cape Town, so it may be a little different.

Anyways, the course was 4 weeks, and was from 9am to 4:30 pm every day. We had an hour off for lunch, and 1 or 2 days we finished early (last day we were done at around 11am, and I think there was a day where we knocked off at about 3pm)
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As always, it's worth it to mention that you:

1. Don't need this to teach in Korea
2. Most Korean schools do not compensate you more for having it (public schools will -- but not any more than far cheaper programs).
3. Most Korean schools have no idea what a CELTA is compared to a $300 online TEFL course.
4. If you are from a Brit commonwealth country, then the CELTA is a good idea if you plan to be in teaching for a while. If you're American, then get an MA/TESOL. It's not really recognized there past getting a few credits toward an MA at a handful of universities.

There are also many who disagree with the CELTA system. I've heard the story about the licensed public school teacher, and as I originally heard it told, he disagreed with the headstrong we are English gods -- do what we say, or get the hell out attitude (I paraphrased there) held by the CELTA trainers. It seems like the original story has been blown up a bit to make the guy out to be some kind of teacher-centered guy who just couldn't hack it.

Please don't imply that the public school guy just couldn't cut it -- he disagreed with it, and was given his hat -- that's how I have read it. Otherwise, it's like you're implying that CELTA people are somehow better than actual licensed teachers. That would be a wrong assumption, in my book.

Think of CELTA as a feather in your cap. It doesn't make you a TESOL superteacher. Also keep in mind that some on Dave's push it like some kind of Amway cult.
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