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English teachers from India, other countries - good idea?
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Is allowing English speakers from India and other countries to teach English in public schools in Korea a good idea?
Yes
63%
 63%  [ 56 ]
No
36%
 36%  [ 32 ]
Total Votes : 88

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KHerald



Joined: 21 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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michi gnome



Joined: 15 Feb 2006
Location: Dokdo

PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think having Indian English teachers will be great if Koreans hope for

their kids to have a future in telemarketing, or perhaps serving me up my

boston creme at Dunkin Donuts with the proper accent. Very Happy
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Kea Joenee



Joined: 09 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is letting brown people work dignified jobs in Korea a good idea?
Yes/No

Are all Hindi people running mini-marts and telemarketing?
Yes/No

Can anyone spot the irony of newcomers being anti-immigrant racists?
Yes/No

Is this this the 19th Century American "Know Nothing" Party?
Yes/No
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Mr_Anderson



Joined: 05 Dec 2008
Location: New Zealand

PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jdog2050 wrote:
Mr-Dokdo wrote:
jdog2050 wrote:
ryoga013 wrote:
I wonder how the fact that Korea has wrongly imprisoned two great captains from India, treated them like crap, held them illegally to start, refused them religious paraphernalia, and not bothered about setting things straight.

I hope some hostile Indians come and break them out. Sorry Gandhi, a few people need their heads busted in.


I voted no for this reason, and I don't even understand how people are voting "yes".

It's a fact that the general Korean populace looks down on Southeast Asians more than ANY OTHER POPULATION.

What we face here as westerners in terms of annoying, "every-day" discrimination is going to pale in comparison to what these teachers are going to face.

Another problem is that, yes, this is another form of outsourcing. Just as our salaries are starting to rise, here's a populace coming in which will probably bring it right back down. Oh yeah folks, Korea is becoming less and less of a good ESL destination every month it seems.


What the Indians will face is their own problem; nobody is fooled by the idea that a NO vote somehow helps the Indians. As one of us/you, I can honestly say this: the gravy-train of a good job purely on the basis of a white face and a BA (in anything, from anywhere) cannot roll on forever. Koreans are starting to realize that they are spending a lot of money but nobody is learning anything; it was inevitable that sooner or later they would tire of subsidising misfits to come here for a vacation and a party life and start to look at alternatives. Open the market, and send the bums home, to the welfare lines!


I'm not white, first of all.

Honestly, purely because we *are* talking about Korea is why I'm throwing down a no vote. Seriously, South Koreans think Indians, Filipinos, etc, are *dogs*. This is a poll, asking what we think. So, morally, knowing what Koreans think about SE asians, I cannot possibly vote yes.


But surely, precisely because of that reason, letting the Korean people have more exposure to to Indians, Filipinos, etc, would be the much better option. If only to expel erroneous and irrational racist beliefs.
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creeper1



Joined: 30 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:18 pm    Post subject: Silly comment Reply with quote

michi gnome wrote:
i think having Indian English teachers will be great if Koreans hope for

their kids to have a future in telemarketing, or perhaps serving me up my

boston creme at Dunkin Donuts with the proper accent. Very Happy


I have had many calls from India as well. People with irritating accents trying to get my credit card details. Bah!

Another thing that really gets on my nerves is when I'm making an enquiry to my bank (Abbey National) and they put me through to India. Invariably these people are useless and simply read out prepared statements they have to every question.

As someone else said I think they would be good teachers but only if they speak without an accent or can somehow fake a North American or English accent.

For some reason I think Filipinos would be a bit better at putting on a fake American accent. Whatever the case they will be good only if they really do get VERY high scores on their TOEFL or TOEIC tests.

Incidently I don't think they will stay out in the boonies for long if they prove themselves good teachers.

Imagine a scenario where Joe makes a stink about deskwarming and does a runner. Babu (or whoever) now moves in.
Now newbie Mark calls and is told that only the only position available is in Ars-end-of-nowhere Dong.
Mark is now forced to take it.

Expect an Indian or Philipino in a city near you.
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Mr_Anderson



Joined: 05 Dec 2008
Location: New Zealand

PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 11:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Silly comment Reply with quote

creeper1 wrote:
michi gnome wrote:
i think having Indian English teachers will be great if Koreans hope for

their kids to have a future in telemarketing, or perhaps serving me up my

boston creme at Dunkin Donuts with the proper accent. Very Happy


I have had many calls from India as well. People with irritating accents trying to get my credit card details. Bah!

Another thing that really gets on my nerves is when I'm making an enquiry to my bank (Abbey National) and they put me through to India. Invariably these people are useless and simply read out prepared statements they have to every question.

As someone else said I think they would be good teachers but only if they speak without an accent or can somehow fake a North American or English accent.

For some reason I think Filipinos would be a bit better at putting on a fake American accent. Whatever the case they will be good only if they really do get VERY high scores on their TOEFL or TOEIC tests.

Incidently I don't think they will stay out in the boonies for long if they prove themselves good teachers.

Imagine a scenario where Joe makes a stink about deskwarming and does a runner. Babu (or whoever) now moves in.
Now newbie Mark calls and is told that only the only position available is in Ars-end-of-nowhere Dong.
Mark is now forced to take it.

Expect an Indian or Philipino in a city near you.


Fake American accents are so flaky. I want to hear people in their own accents, not some damned put-on one. Hearing a phony accent would make me want to hang up even faster Twisted Evil
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jkelly80



Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?

PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

michi gnome wrote:
i think having Indian English teachers will be great if Koreans hope for

their kids to have a future in telemarketing, or perhaps serving me up my

boston creme at Dunkin Donuts with the proper accent. Very Happy


racist pr*ck
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Geckoman



Joined: 07 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 12:28 am    Post subject: Re: Silly comment Reply with quote

michi gnome wrote:

As someone else said I think they would be good teachers but only if they speak without an accent or can somehow fake a North American or English accent.


Fake an English accent? Since when did an English accent become so desirable in Korea?

When it comes to faking a more desirable accent, it�s always faking a North American accent.
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yingwenlaoshi



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish we had teachers from India or wherever at my work. I think it would be cool.
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Kimchi Cha Cha



Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: was Suncheon, now Brisbane

PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I voted yes, it's a good idea to have individuals from the Philippines, India, Singapore, Hong Kong etc. teach English in Korea provided they have an English major, certification and/or English teaching experience as 'proof' of English ability.

Yes, a lot will likely be treated like crap by racist bosses, racist society etc. Yes, it will be difficult for them to adjust and adapt to this culture. Yes, a lot of people will be prejudiced against them and prefer their children to be taught by 'native' teachers.

But, when I first came here in 2003 in Jeonju, I initially received complaints and prejudice from parents and students over my Australian accent and the fact I wasn't North American. Yes, there's still some jerks out there who only want to be taught by North Americans but guess what, most realized its actually useful to learn English from people from not only the US/Canada as it improves listening skills, makes you realize not only North Americans speak English, and since so many go to Australia/NZ & Europe for study, working holidays etc. it actually can help people understand the locals when they travel.

Yes, there will be prejudice, there will be d1ckhead parents, managers, students and unfortunately it seems, some d1ckhead 'native' English teachers. But, Korea's not going to grow if it isolates itself and the only way to improve understanding is through contact. Hopefully this can be another way in which Koreans gradually learn to respect people from SE Asia, the Indian sub-continent, and less wealthy nations.

Provided these individuals are qualified for the positions, let them in, I wish them the best and hope they can withstand the prejudice they will encounter. But, I believe in five years time no one will bat an eyelid at an English teacher from Bangalore or Cebu, and that's a good thing in my opinion.
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wylies99



Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!

PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kea Joenee wrote:
Is letting brown people work dignified jobs in Korea a good idea?
Yes/No

Are all Hindi people running mini-marts and telemarketing?
Yes/No

Can anyone spot the irony of newcomers being anti-immigrant racists?
Yes/No

Is this this the 19th Century American "Know Nothing" Party?
Yes/No


Are you talking about TEACHING ENGLISH or JUST TROLLING?

Yes/YES

How about addressing the issue at hand?

The OP's question is about South Korea's new policy of allowing people from India the same rights to teaching jobs and visas as college graduates with clean criminal records from the big seven countries that have verifiable university and criminal justice systems. Of course, a "college degree" from India should be viewed with suspicion until the English skills of the degree holder are verified. Wink
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Mr-Dokdo



Joined: 16 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a bold and novel idea: instead of having to endure the opinions of a countless number of native-speaker misfits (who have no business trying or claiming to teach anything), how about we let the questions be answered by the Koreans (as employers) and the Indians (as prospective employees)?
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jkelly80



Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?

PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr-Dokdo wrote:
I have a bold and novel idea: instead of having to endure the opinions of a countless number of native-speaker misfits (who have no business trying or claiming to teach anything), how about we let the questions be answered by the Koreans (as employers) and the Indians (as prospective employees)?


False premise!

Keep up the good work.
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Cheonmunka



Joined: 04 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any Indian with a degree equal to the requirement is to be allowed to compete with anyone else with the same qualification. That's entirely fair. For, I know several Indians who are bright and quite distinct, who while being advantageous for an employer and students are disadvantaged by mere citizenship alone. Now that distinction is very, very close to being a racial policy, which no one here could adequately defend.

Maybe while they are at it, they could quit with the white preference as well ...
As much as it may hurt chances for caucasians, a completely equitable world is better in the long run.
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wylies99



Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!

PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr-Dokdo wrote:
I have a bold and novel idea: instead of having to endure the opinions of a countless number of native-speaker misfits (who have no business trying or claiming to teach anything), how about we let the questions be answered by the Koreans (as employers) and the Indians (as prospective employees)?


Do you even teach? Sure doesn't sound like it.
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