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[RACETRAITOR]

[greedy_bones]

I find the idea of equating animals with humans in regards to rights to life ridiculous for a few reasons.

The first reason is that if you claim that we don't need meat or animal products to survive, you're only partially correct. Yes, I have the means to purchase vegan food, but not everyone does. I also didn't always have the means, especially when I was a college student. It was the wealthy vegan idiots at my university that pushed for the organic vegan food in the food services and in effect drove the prices up to above $10 for a meal. I would have been fine with that except for the fact that the campus was 10 miles away from the nearest restaurant or grocery store.

The second reason is that there are several means by which we can differentiate ourselves from other animals. Other animals don't question the morality of eating meat. They don't question the morality of killing each other. They don't question the morality of anything. They do what works best for themselves and keeps them alive.

While I disagree with inhumane conditions for animals, why is it bad to raise a cow, let it live a relatively easy life, and then kill it humanely. Will it suffer more than it would have if it lived in the wild, starved to death, died slowly from old age or was mauled by another animal?

The fourth reason is that it's a pretty slippery slope you're on. Pain is an adaptive signal which tells you not to do something that will harm you. Plants have signals which tell them to bloom, shed leaves, grow towards light and open their stomata. Plants are alive, Fungi are alive, bacteria are alive, and so are protists. Why is it okay to eat a potato but not okay to eat a clam?

The only difference between an animal and any other organism is a different set of signals. Pain is considered a bad signal to have or cause because it's related to death or incapacitation. The only way you can truly hold a moral high ground is by only eating fruit and then defecating in the habitat of the plant which bore the fruit.

[Rteacher]

Because plants have less developed consciousness, there is less violence involved (at least we can't hear them scream like animals do when they're about to be slaughtered)

There is some karmic reaction, though, because laws of karma are meant to be harsh enough to eventually convince us that the material world is not a very nice place - and our goal should be to get the hell out as soon as we can (without resorting to violence...)

[Bondrock]

[caniff]

Animals are our friends, but they won't give you a ride to the airport.

This, I think, is an important distinction.

[tfunk]

[Bramble]

[Rae]

[Bramble]

I didn't delete anything, and I was only half joking about pushing you into traffic. You're not worth any more of my time, but don't expect a civil response if you're going to compare Q-tips to living animals ... who probably went insane from being caged all their lives before being electrocuted for your "fluffy hat."

Too bad your parents let you circulate petitions you didn't understand when you were still underage, but you really have no excuse now.

[Rae]

[cisco kid]