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victorology



Joined: 10 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a simple matter of supply vs. demand. If the demand was there, you would see a lot more foreign foods in the supermarkets. Prices would be cheaper, too because they could make money on volume.

You can't compare Korea to Hong Kong. First off, there's a much larger foreign population in Hong Kong. That means higher demand and lower prices. Second, the Hong Kong dollar is tied to the U.S. dollar.
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madoka



Joined: 27 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

moosehead wrote:

the poster was being sarcastic - if anything - it's the Ks who express entitlement - and like everything else - they take it to an extreme - expecting - no, make that demanding - profit from the NETs when they aren't even in the business Rolling Eyes Evil or Very Mad


Wow. You are truly clueless. You still can't figure out what people are trying to explain to you and you contradict yourself and make logical leaps using some sort of bizarre reasoning that maybe makes sense only to mooses.

So you're complaining the price of oatmeal went up 50%? Well, join the club. Guess what? The price of oats rose upwards of 50%.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/sep/16/lifeandhealth.foodanddrink

"Independent suppliers, such as Damhead in Edinburgh, have already raised prices from �1.35 a kilo to �2.25 for their organic oats.

Alan Meikle of Grampian Oat Products, which supplies major supermarkets including Sainsbury's and Tesco. . . (said) 'We are in the process of talking to the supermarkets now about retail costs and, although it is guesswork at the moment, you will see significant increases,' he said. 'Whether it is 25 per cent or as much as 50 per cent we'll have to wait and see, but if you are interested in buying in large amounts, now is the time to do it.' This potential porridge panic has been caused by a squeeze on the global grain market, which has pushed prices of wheat, barley and oats to new highs. Greater demand for grain from China and the rest of the far east, coupled with a booming market in biofuels and poor harvests in Australia and Europe, have all played a part."

Graham Reid, who grows organic oats in Kincardineshire and has a small herd of organic Aberdeen Angus cattle, said: 'Last year we were getting �130 a tonne for our oats. This year it's �250.
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victorology



Joined: 10 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It also seems American companies are getting in on the act. Look at Apple. Their MacBook Pro starts at $1999 in the U.S. In Korea, it starts at 3,099,000 won. Wait a minute, that's about a million won more than it was 6 months ago!

Not all of their products are marked up that high. A Mac Pro that retails at $2799 is 3,150,000 won. It's $800 more expensive than a MacBook Pro in the U.S. but only 51,000 won more expensive in Korea. The iPod shuffle starts at $49 but is 53,000 won in Korea.

I suspect the reason why some import products are marked up more is simply an inventory issue. The products that were imported when exchange rates were reasonable haven't been marked up as much while those that were imported at current exchange rates have been. That would imply that businesses are actually being quite fair by not raising prices across the board.
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wylies99



Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!

PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Madoka, don't you live and work in Korea? Are you a manufacturer or importer? Probably not, but you are a CONSUMER, just like the rest of us.

Why make excuses for high prices charged by large manufacturers?
Do you believe EVERY EXCUSE large corporations give for charging higher prices? You shouldn't, because SMART consumers understand what's really going on.
Rolling Eyes



Also remember that SMART consumers can see that the ridiculous tariffs against foreign goods that are NOT produced by anyone in Korea, are harming CONSUMERS, like you and me, and NOT protecting ANY Koreans.
Now that's as plain as day to everyone.
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travelingfool



Joined: 10 Mar 2008
Location: Parents' basement

PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not too long ago I was walking in Gangnam near Pagoda and YBM trying to find something to eat. Maybe I am blind but I was not at all impressed with the selection of restaurants. I have stayed at quite a few major hotels in Seoul and have found the same thing in those areas as well. Maybe they hide the places from idiot foreigners. Shanghai, Bangkok, Taipei, etc have much better choices.

As one poster said, when you calculate the cost of getting to and from the store, the groceries themselves, and the time involved, eating out makes more sense, especially if you are single. The problem I had though was that my neighborhood was full of restaurants that catered to groups and were very reluctant and often refused to serve one person. My choices were pretty much Pizza school, McDonalds, Lotteria, prepacked food from Family Mart, or street food.

For me the lack of food options in Korea is one of the biggest drawbacks of living there.
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madoka



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wylies99 wrote:
Madoka, don't you live and work in Korea? Are you a manufacturer or importer?


I don't know why you keep asking me where I live and what I do. I've answered you before: I teach in the U.S. and I'll be coming to Korea in about a month for a sabbatical.

wylies99 wrote:
Why make excuses for high prices charged by large manufacturers?
Do you believe EVERY EXCUSE large corporations give for charging higher prices? You shouldn't, because SMART consumers understand what's really going on.


I'm SMART enough to know that food prices are increasing globally:

http://www.boston.com/business/personalfinance/articles/2008/03/09/surging_costs_of_groceries_hit_home/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24127314/

"After nearly two decades of low food inflation, prices for staples such as bread, milk, eggs, and flour are rising sharply, surging in the past year at double-digit rates, according to the Labor Department. Milk prices, for example, increased 26 percent over the year. . .

Many analysts expect consumers to keep paying more for food. Wholesale food prices, an indicator of where supermarket prices are headed, rose last month at the fastest rate since 2003, with egg prices jumping 60 percent from a year ago, pasta products 30 percent, and fruits and vegetables 20 percent, according to the Labor Department.

"The U.S. is wrestling with the worst food inflation in 17 years, and analysts expect new data due on Wednesday to show it�s getting worse. That�s putting the squeeze on poor families and forcing bakeries, bagel shops and delis to explain price increases to their customers. . .

Eggs cost 25 percent more in February than they did a year ago, according to the USDA. Milk and other dairy products jumped 13 percent, chicken and other poultry nearly 7 percent."

So it is UNFAIR and irresponsible to blame Koreans, racism towards foreigners, price gouging, etc. like many of the posters here are trying to do. But some people just don't get it.
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wylies99



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korean tariffs play a LARGE ROLE in the limited availability and high cost of products in South Korea. You don't agree? Rolling Eyes
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victorology



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wylies99 wrote:
Korean tariffs play a LARGE ROLE in the limited availability and high cost of products in South Korea. You don't agree? Rolling Eyes


I do agree tariffs play a role in things but it's not as much (in terms of cost) as people think. On the product I import, the import tariff counts for about 3.5% of the total sale price. I think that's on the low end but at most, it would comprise 10% of the sale price. When it comes to big ticket items, it could be a large amount.

I think you are right on the limited availability part since the tariff makes you think of alternatives in the domestic market. If you account for shipping (both cost and time), tariffs and other factors, it could be better to find a domestic source.
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moosehead



Joined: 05 May 2007

PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

madoka wrote:
I teach in the U.S. and I'll be coming to Korea in about a month for a sabbatical..


madoka wrote:
So it is UNFAIR and irresponsible to blame Koreans, racism towards foreigners, price gouging, etc. like many of the posters here are trying to do. But some people just don't get it.


Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

oh cry me a river !!! Shocked

you don't even live here yet presume such arrogance as to make your incredible weak and feeble attempts to explain nothing less than pure unadulterated GREED by shopkeepers with nothing short of $$ for eyeballs. Mad

wanna know why so many K shopkeepers in American cities have bad reps??

it's because many of them charge astronomical prices for their goods. there was a time when I would sympathize with them - ok, high rents, security, high cost of transportation, etc. but after a while that just didn't cut it - pure and simple they sought to exploit the very people who were their neighbors - members of the commuity - except we as expats in K become all to familiar with the fact Ks don't see non-Ks as members of the same community and they could care less about supporting their neighbors.

and let's not forget 99.99% of K elementary students who, when asked what they want to be when the grow up - will respond with "make a lot of money" more often than anything else.

in fact, as an outsider looking in, what I see in this country is a huge - absolutely HUGE favortism paid towards money, wealth and the rich irregardless of morals, personal rights, or humanity's best interests - such as environmental concerns.

how many Ks absolutely worship Bill Gates?? and if you ask them why, do you think it has anything to do at all with technology and the development of computer software?? F*CK NO!!! it's about his freakin' wealth!!!

I'm sickened, nauseated in fact, with the overall obsession this country has with money - it IS greed and it IS disgusting. I'm seen it since the beginning and there are numerous threads on here about cheating hakwon owners, cheap landlords, etc. which totally support this contention.

16,000 won for oatmeal was the straw that broke the camel's back!!


and yes, eating here IS more expensive than elsewhere when looking for nonregional dishes. I, too, have noticed the difference when traveling in other countries as others have pointed out. WHY is that?? WHY do virtually ALL the foreign restaurants which are managed by Ks charge so much?? the ones NOT managed by Ks are much more reasonable, in fact.

it's all about GREED, pure and simple.
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Draz



Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam

PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Goddamn, I was going to buy some oatmeal and bring it back in my suitcase... but I FORGOT!!! Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad

It was like $5 CAD for 3kg in the most over-priced grocery store in butthump nowhere northern Saskatchewan. Other things in that store are priced the same as in Korea ($5 for a jar of spaghetti sauce for example) but not the oatmeal.

Whining? Pointing out that 16000 won/kg is a freaking insane price for oatmeal is not whining. I'd pay 10000 won (and did) but for 16,000 won it can rot on the shelf.
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exit86



Joined: 17 May 2006

PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I second the point about Koreans world-wide having a very bad reputation for price gouging and price-fixing.
the L.A. Riots and Samsung being charged with price-fixing in the US market a while back come quickly to mind.

The problem the very typical short-sightedness which plagues many
Korean businesses. Get in, make quick money, and get out even quicker. I'm sure many of us have giggled at the "Since 2002"
or similar signs proudly displayed on business/restaurant signs in Korea; take a walk down any street in Manhattan and you'll be surrounded by businesses 50 to 100 years old, if not older, but "Since 2002" is
very much an achievement in Korean business thought.

We also are all familiar with Korea's "Ppalli, Ppalli" culture, which extends to business.

Taking the black market store mentioned earlier, imagine how many long-term customers this person could easily accrue if he 1. acquired
his goods legally 2. charged a fair price for such goods (maybe, instead
of 4 times the price, how about just double the original price so that he could still make a nice profit and have happy, assured customers
for the future, who would naturally spread the word to others, thus increasing his long-term profits.)
He is engaging in illegal activity though, so obviously his outlook is nothing further than short-term, "get in, get out" thinking.
He is lucky that he hasn'ty pissssed off anyone enough for them to call the cops or USFK on him; but, in his mind, that day will come. Why shouldn't it?

Obviously, this type of business and business outlook is self-defeating.
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KoreaninKorea



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

travelingfool wrote:

The problem I had though was that my neighborhood was full of restaurants that catered to groups and were very reluctant and often refused to serve one person. My choices were pretty much Pizza school, McDonalds, Lotteria, prepacked food from Family Mart, or street food.

For me the lack of food options in Korea is one of the biggest drawbacks of living there.


Resturants don't refuse to serve one person. They refuse to serve one serving. Order two serving and ask for a doggie bag for anything you don't finish. Now one of your biggest drawbacks is gone.

I would have to agree that oatmeal isn't a staple food. I believe it for two reasons. First, I don't eat hardly any oatmeal. So there for it's not a staple food for me. Second, you find oatmeal in Korea in the foreign goods section. This leads me to believe that Koreans do not eat much of it. Thus it's not a staple of Korea.

Staples for Korea and me are rice, kimchi, and soju.
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Typhoon



Joined: 29 May 2007
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But they will give you one serving if you already ordered two. This blows my mind away. My wife, daughter and I went out to restaurant last month. We ordered 3 orders of su-jae-bee and one order of 상고기. They restaurant flat out refused to bring the meat for just one order despite the fact that our order would have been close to 20 000 won already. This blew me away. We have ate their before and ordered a single serving after ordering a larger serving, but they just won't start off with one serving. We just said F it. We don't really want a lot of meat we wanted the su-jae-bi, so we went to another restaurant and they lost our business. The restaurant just lost 20 000 Won worth of business and a repeat customer. This is one of the craziest things about Korean restaurants in my opinion.
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