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VanIslander
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Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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the beheaded young child i didn't need to see  it should come with a warning |
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chickenpie
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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http://www.justicefirst.info/images/landloss_crop.jpg
Who's land? |
Since there were both Jews and Arabs in the area.
In 1948 Israel's enemies launched a war of annihilation against Israel where even the arab jews would have been expelled or killed . Does it count?
Besides in revenge for Israel Israel enemies persecuted arab jews
http://theoccupation.org/images/NYTimes_1948_Jews_in_Arab.jpg
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=ef626d33-7291-4030-ba6b-e24e202904de
and then there was the mufti
Ever heard of the mufiti ?
Have a look at the photos.
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Mufti of Jerusalem Hajj Amin's Role as an Instigator of the Shoah (Holocaust)
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There is overwhelming documentation of the role of Hajj Amin al-Husseini, the Mufti of Jerusalem, as a leading instigator of Nazi mass murders.
For example, during UN Security Council discussions in 1947, the Nation Associates, which owned what is now The Nation magazine, presented photostats of letters written by Hajj Amin al-Husseini, proving his complicity in the murder of hundreds of thousands of Jews. The text of one such letter is posted below.
As you read this letter, please note the understated language. The Mufti was arguing against allowing Hungarian Jews to "escape" (his term). Instead they should be sent "to other countries where they would find themselves under active control, for example, in Poland." The phrase of note is "active control." Poland was the site of Chelmno, Treblinka, Sobib�r, Majdanek, Belzec and of course Auschwitz-Birkenau, to name just the six biggest death camps. All of my Polish relatives succumbed to "active control" at these Nazi death camps. |
http://emperors-clothes.com/docs/bakera.htm
http://www.psywarrior.com/mufti539.jpg
http://greyfalcon.us/pictures/mufti2.jpg
http://theoccupation.org/images/NYTimes_1948_Jews_in_Arab.jpg |
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chickenpie
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| So that justifies Israel's current horrific crimes? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| So that justifies Israel's current horrific crimes? |
Not in every case no. During war time Israel sometimes commits crimes , other times they don't. You can't show that Israel behaves worse than its enemies during war. In fact you can't show that Israel behaves worse than most counties during war. In fact Israel's enemies have behaved worse during war and would do worse were they to be successful. And truth be told Israel's enemies are far more racist than Israel is. But I tell you what if Hamas gave up their effort to destroy Israel , there would not be a war.
I think Hamas ought to declare that they forswear military action past Israel's 1967 borders.
Or if Israel's enemies demand right of return then they ought to all accept liberal democracy as their way of life and show without a doubt that it is their way of life for a considerable while.
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chickenpie
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| chickenpie wrote: |
| So that justifies Israel's current horrific crimes? |
Not in every case no. Israel sometimes commits crimes , other times they don't.
Anyway you can't show that Israel behaves worse than its enemies during war. In fact you can't show that Israel behaves worse than most counties during war.
In fact Israel's enemies have behaved worse during war and would do worse were they to be successful. And truth be told Israel's enemies are far more racist than Israel is.
But I tell you what if Hamas gave up their effort to destroy Israel , there would not be a war.
I think Hamas ought to declare that they forswear military action past Israel's 1967 borders.
Or if Israel's enemies demand right of return then they ought to all accept liberal democracy as their way of life and show without a doubt that it is their way of life for a considerable while. |
I think that going back to the 1967 boarders would be the only solution. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| chickenpie wrote: |
| So that justifies Israel's current horrific crimes? |
Not in every case no. Israel sometimes commits crimes , other times they don't.
Anyway you can't show that Israel behaves worse than its enemies during war. In fact you can't show that Israel behaves worse than most counties during war.
In fact Israel's enemies have behaved worse during war and would do worse were they to be successful. And truth be told Israel's enemies are far more racist than Israel is.
But I tell you what if Hamas gave up their effort to destroy Israel , there would not be a war.
I think Hamas ought to declare that they forswear military action past Israel's 1967 borders.
Or if Israel's enemies demand right of return then they ought to all accept liberal democracy as their way of life and show without a doubt that it is their way of life for a considerable while. |
I think that going back to the 1967 boarders would be the only solution. |
Of course.
But their was Bill Clintons' peace plan. |
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Ilsanman
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Location: Bucheon, Korea
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It's sad to see so much propaganda and brainwashing.
Clearly, after the holocaust, when they said 'never again', what they really meant was 'never again to the jews.' |
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bacasper
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| In 1948 Israel's enemies launched a war of annihilation against Israel where even the arab jews would have been expelled or killed . Does it count? |
In 1947, there were 630,000 Jews and 1,300,000 Palestinian Arabs. Thus, by the time of the United Nations partition of Palestine in 1947, the Jews were 31% of the population.
The decision to partition Palestine, promoted by the leading imperialist powers and Stalin�s Soviet Union, gave 54% of the fertile land to the Zionist movement. But before the state of Israel was established, the Irgun and Haganah seized three-quarters of the land and expelled virtually all the inhabitants.
In 1948, there were 475 Palestinian villages and towns. Of these, 385 were razed to the ground, reduced to rubble. Ninety remain, stripped of their land.
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
Besides in revenge for Israel Israel enemies persecuted arab jews and then there was the mufti
Ever heard of the mufiti ?
Have a look at the photos.
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Mufti of Jerusalem Hajj Amin's Role as an Instigator of the Shoah (Holocaust)
[2 December 2003]
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There is overwhelming documentation of the role of Hajj Amin al-Husseini, the Mufti of Jerusalem, as a leading instigator of Nazi mass murders. |
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Zionism and Fascism
The history of Zionism - largely suppressed - is sordid.
Mussolini set up squadrons of the Revisionist Zionist youth movement, Betar, in black shirts in emulation of his own Fascist bands.
When Menachem Begin became chief of Betar, he preferred the brown shirts of the Hitler gangs, a uniform Begin and Betar members wore to all meetings and rallies - at which they greeted each other and opened and closed meetings with the fascist salute.
more at link
Collaborating with the Nazis
This strategy of enlisting Europe�s virulent Jew-haters, and of aligning with the most vicious movements and regimes as financial and military patrons of a Zionist colony in Palestine, did not exclude the Nazis.
The Zionist Federation of Germany sent a memorandum of support to the Nazi Party on June 21, 1933. In it the Federation noted:
... a rebirth of national life such as is occurring in German life ... must also take place in the Jewish national group.
On the foundation of the new [Nazi] state which has established the principle of race, we wish so to fit our community into the total structure so that for us, too, in the sphere assigned to us, fruitful activity for the Fatherland is possible ...
more at link
Embracing the S.S.
Consequently, the Zionists brought Baron Von Mildenstein of the S.S. Security Service to Palestine for a six-month visit in support of Zionism. This visit led to a twelve-part report by Joseph Goebbels, Hitler�s Minister of Propaganda, in Der Angriff (The Assault) in 1934 praising Zionism. Goebbels ordered a medallion struck with the Swastika on one side, and on the other, the Zionist Star of David. In May 1935, Reinhardt Heydrich, the chief of the S.S. Security Service, wrote an article in which he separated Jews into "two categories." The Jews he favored were the Zionists: "Our good wishes together with our official good will go with them."[82] In 1937, the Labor "socialist" Zionist militia, the Haganah (founded by Jabotinsky) sent an agent (Feivel Polkes) to Berlin offering to spy for the S.S. Security Service in exchange for the release of Jewish wealth for Zionist colonization. Adolf Eichmann was invited to Palestine as the guest of the Haganah.
more at link
Sacrificing Europe�s Jews
The correlative to the acts of collaboration with the Nazis throughout the 1930�s was that when attempts to change the immigration laws of the United States and Western Europe were contemplated in order to provide token refuge for persecuted Jews of Europe, it was the Zionists who actively organized to stop these efforts.
Ben Gurion informed a meeting of Labor Zionists in Great Britain in 1938: "If I knew that it would be possible to save all the children in Germany by bringing them over to England and only half of them by transporting them to Eretz Israel, then I opt for the second alternative." [84] This obsession with colonizing Palestine and overwhelming the Arabs led the Zionist movement to oppose any rescue of the Jews facing extermination, because the ability to deflect select manpower to Palestine would be impeded. From 1933 to 1935, the WZO turned down two-thirds of all the German Jews who applied for immigration certificates.
more at link
Fighting Asylum
The entire Zionist establishment made its position unmistakable in its response to a motion by 227 British members of Parliament calling on the government to provide asylum in British territories for persecuted Jews. The meager undertaking which was prepared was as follows:
His Majesty�s Government issued some hundreds of Mauritius and other immigration permits in favor of threatened Jewish families.[86]
But even this token measure was opposed by the Zionist leaders. At a Parliamentary meeting on January 27, 1943, when the next steps were being pursued by over one hundred members of Parliament, a spokesperson for the Zionists announced that they opposed this motion because it did not contain preparations for the colonization of Palestine. This was a consistent stance.
Chaim Weizmann, the Zionist leader who had arranged the Balfour Declaration and was to become the first president of Israel, made this Zionist policy very explicit:
The hopes of Europe�s six million Jews are centered on emigration. I was asked: �Can you bring six million Jews to Palestine?� I replied, �No.� ... From the depths of the tragedy I want to save ... young people [for Palestine]. The old ones will pass. They will bear their fate or they will not. They are dust, economic and moral dust in a cruel world ... Only the branch of the young shall survive. They have to accept it. [87]
Yitzhak Gruenbaum, the chairperson of the committee set up by the Zionists, nominally to investigate the condition of European Jews, said:
When they come to us with two plans - the rescue of the masses of Jews in Europe or the redemption of the land - I vote, without a second thought, for the redemption of the land.
more at link
Betraying the Resistance
In July 1944, the Slovakian Jewish leader Rabbi Dov Michael Weissmandel in a letter to Zionist officials charged with these "rescue organizations," proposed a series of measures to save the Jews scheduled for liquidation at Auschwitz. He offered exact mappings of the railways and urged the bombing of the tracks on which the Hungarian Jews were being transported to the crematoria.
He appealed for the bombing of the furnaces at Auschwitz, for the parachuting of ammunition to 80,000 prisoners, for the parachuting of saboteurs to blow up all the means of annihilation and thus end the cremation of 13,000 Jews every day.
Should the Allies refuse the organized and public demand by the "rescue organizations", Weissmandel proposed that the Zionists, who had funds and organization, obtain airplanes, recruit Jewish volunteers and carry out the sabotage.
Weissmandel was not alone. Throughout the late thirties and forties, Jewish spokespersons in Europe cried out for help, for public campaigns, for organized resistance, for demonstrations to force the hand of allied Govemments - only to be met not merely by Zionist silence but by active Zionist sabotage of the meager efforts which were proposed or prepared in Great Britain and the United States.
Here is the cri-de-coeur of Rabbi Weissmandel. Writing to the Zionists in July 1944 he asked incredulously.
Why have you done nothing until now? Who is guilty of this frightful negligence? Are you not guilty, our Jewish brothers: you who have the greatest good fortune in the world - liberty?
more at link
No Zionist leader supported his request, nor did the Western capitalist regimes bomb a single concentration camp.
A Pact Against Hungary�s Jews
The culmination of Zionist betrayal was the sacrifice of Hungary�s Jews in a series of agreements between the Zionist movement and Nazi Germany which first became known in 1953. Dr. Rudolph Kastner of the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee in Budapest signed a secret pact with Adolf Eichmann to "settle the Jewish question" in Hungary. This took place in 1944. The pact sealed the fate of 800,000 Jews.
more at link
Saving Nazis, Not Jews
It is not surprising that it was to be revealed that Kastner intervened to save S.S. General Kurt Becher from being tried for war crimes. Becher was one of the leading negotiators of the deal with the Zionists in 1944. He was also an S.S. Major in Poland, a member of the Death Corps "that worked around the clock killing Jews." "Becher distinguished himself as a Jew slaughterer in Poland and Russia." [94] He was appointed Commissar of all Nazi concentration camps by Heinrich Himmler.
What happened to him? He became president of many corporations and headed up the sale of wheat to Israel. His corporation, the Cologne-Handel Gesellschaft, did extensive business with the Israeli government.
A Military Pact with Nazism
On January 11, 1941, Avraham Stern proposed a formal military pact between the National Military Organization (NMO), of which Yitzhak Shamir, the current Prime Minister of Israel, was a prominent leader, and the Nazi Third Reich. This proposal became known as the Ankara document, having been discovered after the war in the files of the German Embassy in Turkey. It states the following:
The evacuation of the Jewish masses from Europe is a precondition for solving the Jewish question; but this can only be made possible and complete through the settlement of these masses in the home of the Jewish people, Palestine, and through the establishment of a Jewish state in its historical boundaries ...
more at link
Zionism�s Perfidy
Zionism�s perfidy - the betrayal of the victims of the Holocaust - was the culmination of their attempt to identify the interests of the Jews with those of the established order. Today, the Zionists join their state to the enforcement arm of U.S. imperialism - from the death squads of Latin America to the covert operations of the C.I.A. on four continents.
more at link
The dirty secret of Zionist history is that Zionism was threatened by the Jews themselves. Defending the Jewish people from persecution meant organizing resistance to the regimes which menaced them. But these regimes embodied the imperial order which comprised the only social force willing or able to impose a settler colony on the Palestinian people. Hence, the Zionists needed the persecution of the Jews to persuade Jews to become colonizers afar, and they needed the persecutors to sponsor the enterprise.
But European Jewry had never manifested any interest in colonizing Palestine. Zionism remained a fringe movement among the Jews, who aspired to live in the countries of their birth free of discrimination or to escape persecution by emigrating to bourgeois democracies perceived as more tolerant.
Zionism, therefore, could never answer the needs or aspirations of the Jews. The moment of truth came when persecution gave way to physical extermination. Put to the ultimate and sole test of their real relationship to Jewish survival, the Zionists did not merely fail to lead resistance or defend the Jews, they actively sabotaged Jewish efforts to boycott the Nazi economy. They sought, even then, the sponsorship of the mass murderers themselves, not merely because the Third Reich appeared powerful enough to impose a Zionist colony, but because the Nazi practices were consonant with Zionist assumptions.
There was a common ground between the Nazis and the Zionists, expressed not merely in the proposal of Shamir�s National Military Organization to form a state in Palestine on a "national totalitarian basis." Vladimir Jabotinsky, in his last work, The Jewish War Front, (l940) wrote of his plans for the Palestinian people:
Since we have this great moral authority for calmly envisaging the exodus of Arabs, we need not regard the possible departure of 900,000 with dismay. Herr Hitler has recently been enhancing the popularity of population transfer.
more at link
The Zionists approached the Nazis in the same spirit they had Von Plehve, acting on the perverse notion that Jew-hatred was useful. Their purpose was not rescue, but forced conscription of the select few - the rest to be consigned to their agonizing fate.
Zionism sought bodies with which to colonize Palestine and preferred Jewish corpses in their millions to any rescue that might settle Jews elsewhere.
If ever a people could be expected to grasp the meaning of persecution, the pain of being perpetual refugees and the humiliation of slander, it ought to have been the Jews.
In place of compassion, the Zionists celebrated the persecution of others, even as they first betrayed the Jews and then degraded them. They selected a victim people of their own on whom to inflict a conquering design. They aligned the surviving Jews with a new genocide against the Palestinian people, cloaking themselves, with savage irony, in the collective shroud of the Holocaust.
The Hidden History of Zionism
By Ralph Schoenman
Chapter 6
Zionism and the Jews |
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MothraAttack
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Certainly what is happening in Gaza is terrible and rife with human rights violations, but I'm hard-pressed to think of a 20th century analogue. I think people should stress the suffering without having to use the suffering of those in the past to drive home the point. That's just muddying the waters with weak analogies.
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After the recent horrors that have happened to the people living in Gaza, I have nothing more to say.
This is today, no ovens, just people trapped in a hell organised by the Israeli government.
Look at the pictures what is the difference, the are no ovens in my link. |
Pictures of 'military checkpoints' in the German photos are not such. They are photos of known ghetto clearings to sites of mass execution.
Someone else cited an online source alleging:
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| The culmination of Zionist betrayal was the sacrifice of Hungary�s Jews in a series of agreements between the Zionist movement and Nazi Germany which first became known in 1953. Dr. Rudolph Kastner of the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee in Budapest signed a secret pact with Adolf Eichmann to "settle the Jewish question" in Hungary. This took place in 1944. The pact sealed the fate of 800,000 Jews. |
1. 800,000 Hungarian Jews did not die in the Holocaust.
2. The court libel trial that put blame on Kastner, as cited in the link, was overturned in 1956. No mention of that in the link, strangely.
3. Hungarian Jews survived as long as they did thanks to Regent Miklos Horthy. Neighboring Romanian Jews were already dying en masse under Ion Antonescu. The German occupation of Hungary in March 1944 and the installation of Ferenc Sz�lasi's Arrow Cross Party allowed the infamous Hungarian Aktion. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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It's sad to see so much propaganda and brainwashing.
Clearly, after the holocaust, when they said 'never again', what they really meant was 'never again to the jews.' |
What is your point?
Israel's enemies have done worse and would do far worse. If Israel is like the Nazis what are they?
(Ilsanman refuses to answer on the grounds that any answer he gives would answer any questions about him)
By the way according to you the holocaust didn't happen or was exaggerated. Hmm.
Oh well it just goes to show that some people have no problem with ethnic cleansing , rascism, and wars of annihalation when the target is jews.
Yep all photo shopped by the international zionist conspiracy
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| In 1948 Israel's enemies launched a war of annihilation against Israel where even the arab jews would have been expelled or killed . Does it count? |
In 1947, there were 630,000 Jews and 1,300,000 Palestinian Arabs. Thus, by the time of the United Nations partition of Palestine in 1947, the Jews were 31% of the population.
The decision to partition Palestine, promoted by the leading imperialist powers and Stalin�s Soviet Union, gave 54% of the fertile land to the Zionist movement. But before the state of Israel was established, the Irgun and Haganah seized three-quarters of the land and expelled virtually all the inhabitants.
In 1948, there were 475 Palestinian villages and towns. Of these, 385 were razed to the ground, reduced to rubble. Ninety remain, stripped of their land.
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
Besides in revenge for Israel Israel enemies persecuted arab jews and then there was the mufti
Ever heard of the mufiti ?
Have a look at the photos.
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Mufti of Jerusalem Hajj Amin's Role as an Instigator of the Shoah (Holocaust)
[2 December 2003]
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There is overwhelming documentation of the role of Hajj Amin al-Husseini, the Mufti of Jerusalem, as a leading instigator of Nazi mass murders. |
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Zionism and Fascism
The history of Zionism - largely suppressed - is sordid.
Mussolini set up squadrons of the Revisionist Zionist youth movement, Betar, in black shirts in emulation of his own Fascist bands.
When Menachem Begin became chief of Betar, he preferred the brown shirts of the Hitler gangs, a uniform Begin and Betar members wore to all meetings and rallies - at which they greeted each other and opened and closed meetings with the fascist salute.
more at link
Collaborating with the Nazis
This strategy of enlisting Europe�s virulent Jew-haters, and of aligning with the most vicious movements and regimes as financial and military patrons of a Zionist colony in Palestine, did not exclude the Nazis.
The Zionist Federation of Germany sent a memorandum of support to the Nazi Party on June 21, 1933. In it the Federation noted:
... a rebirth of national life such as is occurring in German life ... must also take place in the Jewish national group.
On the foundation of the new [Nazi] state which has established the principle of race, we wish so to fit our community into the total structure so that for us, too, in the sphere assigned to us, fruitful activity for the Fatherland is possible ...
more at link
Embracing the S.S.
Consequently, the Zionists brought Baron Von Mildenstein of the S.S. Security Service to Palestine for a six-month visit in support of Zionism. This visit led to a twelve-part report by Joseph Goebbels, Hitler�s Minister of Propaganda, in Der Angriff (The Assault) in 1934 praising Zionism. Goebbels ordered a medallion struck with the Swastika on one side, and on the other, the Zionist Star of David. In May 1935, Reinhardt Heydrich, the chief of the S.S. Security Service, wrote an article in which he separated Jews into "two categories." The Jews he favored were the Zionists: "Our good wishes together with our official good will go with them."[82] In 1937, the Labor "socialist" Zionist militia, the Haganah (founded by Jabotinsky) sent an agent (Feivel Polkes) to Berlin offering to spy for the S.S. Security Service in exchange for the release of Jewish wealth for Zionist colonization. Adolf Eichmann was invited to Palestine as the guest of the Haganah.
more at link
Sacrificing Europe�s Jews
The correlative to the acts of collaboration with the Nazis throughout the 1930�s was that when attempts to change the immigration laws of the United States and Western Europe were contemplated in order to provide token refuge for persecuted Jews of Europe, it was the Zionists who actively organized to stop these efforts.
Ben Gurion informed a meeting of Labor Zionists in Great Britain in 1938: "If I knew that it would be possible to save all the children in Germany by bringing them over to England and only half of them by transporting them to Eretz Israel, then I opt for the second alternative." [84] This obsession with colonizing Palestine and overwhelming the Arabs led the Zionist movement to oppose any rescue of the Jews facing extermination, because the ability to deflect select manpower to Palestine would be impeded. From 1933 to 1935, the WZO turned down two-thirds of all the German Jews who applied for immigration certificates.
more at link
Fighting Asylum
The entire Zionist establishment made its position unmistakable in its response to a motion by 227 British members of Parliament calling on the government to provide asylum in British territories for persecuted Jews. The meager undertaking which was prepared was as follows:
His Majesty�s Government issued some hundreds of Mauritius and other immigration permits in favor of threatened Jewish families.[86]
But even this token measure was opposed by the Zionist leaders. At a Parliamentary meeting on January 27, 1943, when the next steps were being pursued by over one hundred members of Parliament, a spokesperson for the Zionists announced that they opposed this motion because it did not contain preparations for the colonization of Palestine. This was a consistent stance.
Chaim Weizmann, the Zionist leader who had arranged the Balfour Declaration and was to become the first president of Israel, made this Zionist policy very explicit:
The hopes of Europe�s six million Jews are centered on emigration. I was asked: �Can you bring six million Jews to Palestine?� I replied, �No.� ... From the depths of the tragedy I want to save ... young people [for Palestine]. The old ones will pass. They will bear their fate or they will not. They are dust, economic and moral dust in a cruel world ... Only the branch of the young shall survive. They have to accept it. [87]
Yitzhak Gruenbaum, the chairperson of the committee set up by the Zionists, nominally to investigate the condition of European Jews, said:
When they come to us with two plans - the rescue of the masses of Jews in Europe or the redemption of the land - I vote, without a second thought, for the redemption of the land.
more at link
Betraying the Resistance
In July 1944, the Slovakian Jewish leader Rabbi Dov Michael Weissmandel in a letter to Zionist officials charged with these "rescue organizations," proposed a series of measures to save the Jews scheduled for liquidation at Auschwitz. He offered exact mappings of the railways and urged the bombing of the tracks on which the Hungarian Jews were being transported to the crematoria.
He appealed for the bombing of the furnaces at Auschwitz, for the parachuting of ammunition to 80,000 prisoners, for the parachuting of saboteurs to blow up all the means of annihilation and thus end the cremation of 13,000 Jews every day.
Should the Allies refuse the organized and public demand by the "rescue organizations", Weissmandel proposed that the Zionists, who had funds and organization, obtain airplanes, recruit Jewish volunteers and carry out the sabotage.
Weissmandel was not alone. Throughout the late thirties and forties, Jewish spokespersons in Europe cried out for help, for public campaigns, for organized resistance, for demonstrations to force the hand of allied Govemments - only to be met not merely by Zionist silence but by active Zionist sabotage of the meager efforts which were proposed or prepared in Great Britain and the United States.
Here is the cri-de-coeur of Rabbi Weissmandel. Writing to the Zionists in July 1944 he asked incredulously.
Why have you done nothing until now? Who is guilty of this frightful negligence? Are you not guilty, our Jewish brothers: you who have the greatest good fortune in the world - liberty?
more at link
No Zionist leader supported his request, nor did the Western capitalist regimes bomb a single concentration camp.
A Pact Against Hungary�s Jews
The culmination of Zionist betrayal was the sacrifice of Hungary�s Jews in a series of agreements between the Zionist movement and Nazi Germany which first became known in 1953. Dr. Rudolph Kastner of the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee in Budapest signed a secret pact with Adolf Eichmann to "settle the Jewish question" in Hungary. This took place in 1944. The pact sealed the fate of 800,000 Jews.
more at link
Saving Nazis, Not Jews
It is not surprising that it was to be revealed that Kastner intervened to save S.S. General Kurt Becher from being tried for war crimes. Becher was one of the leading negotiators of the deal with the Zionists in 1944. He was also an S.S. Major in Poland, a member of the Death Corps "that worked around the clock killing Jews." "Becher distinguished himself as a Jew slaughterer in Poland and Russia." [94] He was appointed Commissar of all Nazi concentration camps by Heinrich Himmler.
What happened to him? He became president of many corporations and headed up the sale of wheat to Israel. His corporation, the Cologne-Handel Gesellschaft, did extensive business with the Israeli government.
A Military Pact with Nazism
On January 11, 1941, Avraham Stern proposed a formal military pact between the National Military Organization (NMO), of which Yitzhak Shamir, the current Prime Minister of Israel, was a prominent leader, and the Nazi Third Reich. This proposal became known as the Ankara document, having been discovered after the war in the files of the German Embassy in Turkey. It states the following:
The evacuation of the Jewish masses from Europe is a precondition for solving the Jewish question; but this can only be made possible and complete through the settlement of these masses in the home of the Jewish people, Palestine, and through the establishment of a Jewish state in its historical boundaries ...
more at link
Zionism�s Perfidy
Zionism�s perfidy - the betrayal of the victims of the Holocaust - was the culmination of their attempt to identify the interests of the Jews with those of the established order. Today, the Zionists join their state to the enforcement arm of U.S. imperialism - from the death squads of Latin America to the covert operations of the C.I.A. on four continents.
more at link
The dirty secret of Zionist history is that Zionism was threatened by the Jews themselves. Defending the Jewish people from persecution meant organizing resistance to the regimes which menaced them. But these regimes embodied the imperial order which comprised the only social force willing or able to impose a settler colony on the Palestinian people. Hence, the Zionists needed the persecution of the Jews to persuade Jews to become colonizers afar, and they needed the persecutors to sponsor the enterprise.
But European Jewry had never manifested any interest in colonizing Palestine. Zionism remained a fringe movement among the Jews, who aspired to live in the countries of their birth free of discrimination or to escape persecution by emigrating to bourgeois democracies perceived as more tolerant.
Zionism, therefore, could never answer the needs or aspirations of the Jews. The moment of truth came when persecution gave way to physical extermination. Put to the ultimate and sole test of their real relationship to Jewish survival, the Zionists did not merely fail to lead resistance or defend the Jews, they actively sabotaged Jewish efforts to boycott the Nazi economy. They sought, even then, the sponsorship of the mass murderers themselves, not merely because the Third Reich appeared powerful enough to impose a Zionist colony, but because the Nazi practices were consonant with Zionist assumptions.
There was a common ground between the Nazis and the Zionists, expressed not merely in the proposal of Shamir�s National Military Organization to form a state in Palestine on a "national totalitarian basis." Vladimir Jabotinsky, in his last work, The Jewish War Front, (l940) wrote of his plans for the Palestinian people:
Since we have this great moral authority for calmly envisaging the exodus of Arabs, we need not regard the possible departure of 900,000 with dismay. Herr Hitler has recently been enhancing the popularity of population transfer.
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The Zionists approached the Nazis in the same spirit they had Von Plehve, acting on the perverse notion that Jew-hatred was useful. Their purpose was not rescue, but forced conscription of the select few - the rest to be consigned to their agonizing fate.
Zionism sought bodies with which to colonize Palestine and preferred Jewish corpses in their millions to any rescue that might settle Jews elsewhere.
If ever a people could be expected to grasp the meaning of persecution, the pain of being perpetual refugees and the humiliation of slander, it ought to have been the Jews.
In place of compassion, the Zionists celebrated the persecution of others, even as they first betrayed the Jews and then degraded them. They selected a victim people of their own on whom to inflict a conquering design. They aligned the surviving Jews with a new genocide against the Palestinian people, cloaking themselves, with savage irony, in the collective shroud of the Holocaust.
The Hidden History of Zionism
By Ralph Schoenman
Chapter 6
Zionism and the Jews |
Nothing you show there with a questionable source .
The Mufit wasn't just a Nazi but a Nazi war criminal who encouraged the holocaust. |
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Ilsanman
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I see many similarities between nazis and zionists.
I do not refuse to answer the question. Speak for yourself.
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It's sad to see so much propaganda and brainwashing.
Clearly, after the holocaust, when they said 'never again', what they really meant was 'never again to the jews.' |
What is your point?
Israel's enemies have done worse and would do far worse. If Israel is like the Nazis what are they?
(Ilsanman refuses to answer on the grounds that any answer he gives would answer any questions about him)
By the way according to you the holocaust didn't happen or was exaggerated. Hmm.
Oh well it just goes to show that some people have no problem with ethnic cleansing , rascism, and wars of annihalation when the target is jews.
Yep all photo shopped by the international zionist conspiracy
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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"Ilsanman"]
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I see many similarities between nazis and zionists.
I do not refuse to answer the question. Speak for yourself.
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Israel's enemies have done worse and would do far worse. What the Nazis did was unusually horrible and rare .If Israel is like the Nazis what are they? I don't see you comparing them to the Nazis . (Ilsanman refuses to answer on the grounds that any answer he gives would answer any questions about him) |
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Ilsanman
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I couldn't understand your question. I don't speak idiot.
Similarities:
1. They both believe in racial superiority.
2. They both have aterm for themselves and a lesser term for all others (goyim)
3. They both killed many people.
4. They both bullied people/countries weaker than themselves.
5. They both punish resistance by killing 100 fold.
6. They both persecute racial groups.
Need I go on?
Zionists may not have put Palestinians in ovens or gas chambers, but they're systematically starving them by blocking 80% of the aid coming in. If the Nazis had not gassed jews, but instead starved them to death, it'd have been the same result. mass deaths. Just as grisley.
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I see many similarities between nazis and zionists.
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Israel's enemies have done worse and would do far worse. What the Nazis did was unusually horrible and rare .If Israel is like the Nazis what are they? I don't see you comparing them to the Nazis . (Ilsanman refuses to answer on the grounds that any answer he gives would answer any questions about him) |
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