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NoExplode

Joined: 15 Oct 2008
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:15 am Post subject: Accident or murder? |
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http://www.gmanews.tv/story/145828/Korean-becomes-19th-fatality-at-Hanjin-facility
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SUBIC BAY FREEPORT, Philippines - A South Korean expat working here was killed Sunday when a forklift ran over him at an assembly facility of the Hanjin Heavy Industries Corp. Philippines.
Police reports identified the fatality as Choi Dong Baek, a 51-year-old supervisor at the sprawling shipbuilding complex located at the Redondo Peninsula in Subic Bay. He was run over by a forklift operated by Menti Dacanay, a Filipino worker, at around 12:45 a.m. at the vicinity of assembly shop C where metal works are done.
Baek was rushed to the San Marcelino Hospital where he expired at about 1:30 a.m. Authorities are still investigating the cause of the accident.
Baek was the first South Korean killed this year and is the first expat to be fatally involved in a work-related accident. His death raised the total number of work-related deaths to 19 since Hanjin's construction and shipbuilding operations began in 2006.
Last Friday, a 19-year-old Filipino worker, Raldon del Rosario, died when a metal base of newly installed canvass door fell on him. He died of massive head injuries. The incident also injured Camalao Bochie, 24, who suffered leg injuries. - John Bayarong, GMANews.TV |
19 deaths at a single Hanjin facility in 3 years? Dangerous company, eh? |
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the ireland

Joined: 11 May 2008 Location: korea
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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it's ok they didn't die, they expiried
Nice sentimentle touch whoever it was wrote the article |
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ChinaBoy
Joined: 17 Feb 2007
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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It's quite obviously murder!!!! |
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Doutdes
Joined: 14 Oct 2005
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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If you think a forklift death must be murder, then you've obviously never worked in an industrial area. One of the first things I learned when I worked in a factory was to not trust anyone else with my safety, especially the 9 fingered co-worker who was too lazy (and dumb) to follow the proper lock-out tag-out procedures when unjamming a mixer.
It could be murder, but it's probably an accident. Just a few months ago an old friend of mine crushed a man (he survived, but broke many bones) with a forklift at a factory in my hometown. Basically what happened was both employees ignored safety precautions. The man who was crushed failed to put an orange cone in front of the aisle of crates he was working on. My friend put away a crate and to save room and time pushed multiple crates so they would be flush. Unfortunately the man was writing down inventory between those crates and was crushed. Both of them didn't follow proper procedures. The company was negligent too because supervisors never enforced safety rules and both actions had become standard practice.
In the US we'd be asking if it's negligent homicide or not and whether the negligence was on part of the driver or the company. It's doubtful he'd be arrested in the US for involuntary manslaughter, but it does happen. In Korea it's a whole different story. Negligence doesn't matter and if the family wishes to, they could probably press charges against the driver. |
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subicslugger
Joined: 14 Oct 2008
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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Senator urges probe into Hanjin accidents at Subic Freeport
AMITA LEGASPI, GMANews.TV
01/23/2009 | 03:14 PM
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MANILA, Philippines � Sen. Pilar Juliana Cayetano on Friday urged the Senate to immediately look into the series of accidents at the construction sites of South Korean shipbuilder Hanjin Heavy Industries Corp. at the Subic Bay Freeport.
Cayetano made the request after getting hold of a letter of Korean Ambassador Choi Joong Kyung to Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile trying to dissuade the Senate from investigating the fatal accidents involving Hanjin.
Cayetano said the ambassador�s letter, dated Dec. 23, 2008, highlighted the virtues of Korean investments in the country despite the global economic slowdown.
But in another part of the letter, the ambassador mentioned that the possible Senate inquiry on the accidents at the Hanjin shipyard could have a negative effect not only on the company but on the Philippines as well.
"The policy implication of all its present actions have deep and far reaching effects within and beyond the boundaries of the Philippines," read the letter, copies of which were distributed to reporters.
Latest victim
A total of 18 deaths at sprawling Hanjin shipbuilding facility have been reported, the latest of which happened on Friday at 8:30 a.m.
The Subic Bay Metropolitan Authority (SBMA) identified the latest fatality as Raldon del Rosario, 19, from Kalinga province, an employee of Redondo I-Tech Corp. He died of massive head injuries.
Another worker, Camalao Bochie, 24, also from Kalinga, suffered leg injuries. Both victims were taken to St. Jude Hospital in Olongapo City, where Del Rosario was declared dead on arrival.
Initial reports released by the SBMA said the victims were pinned down by the metal base of a newly installed manual canvass door that fell at one of the assembly facilities of Hanjin.
Workers of Great Steel Con, a subcontractor of Hanjin, were testing the manual canvass door at around 8:30 a.m. when the accident happened, the SBMA said.
Last year, government regulators ordered Hanjin to stop its operations in its one of its assembly shops after an 8-ton girder assembly being lifted by a crane fatally struck a worker at the back of his head. Work, however, resumed as the company assured that all safety measures were being undertaken.
Repercussions
In his letter, the Korean ambassador warned that Hanjin may find it difficult to secure overseas financing in case there would be any shadow cast on its credibility as a result of the investigation.
He said overseas competitors of Hanjin might also feel relieved not to follow Hanjin's pioneering into the Philippines. Competitiors might also find an opportunity in the company's misfortune and seize the chance to eliminate it.
Cayetano asked why the Korean ambassador would stop the investigation when "there is nothing to hide."
"The normal reaction would be telling the investigating body to go ahead with the probe and use the forum to air its side," Cayetano told reporters.
Regrettable, misplaced
She said she finds the ambassador's letter as both regrettable and misplaced.
"Are we now to be told by a representative of a foreign country what we should and should not inquire into as a national lawmaking body, and even be threatened by 'deep and far reaching effects within and beyond the boundaries of the Philippines'?" Cayetano said. "Is it not our duty, as lawmakers of the land, to look into violations and put in place measures to exact compliance?"
She said she was not against the foreign investment or anything against the investments of Korean companies, adding that she was personally supportive of foreign investments that give the economy the necessary stimulus.
"Indeed, the government should create an atmosphere that encourages business and investments. But at the same time, laws aimed at protecting our people and our natural resources must be strictly complied with by all, whether Filipino or foreign investors," Cayetano said.
She further said the Senate should immediately investigate the construction activities at the project site before another Hanjin accident takes place.
"Let us not be dictated upon by the amount of investments by foreigners in the exercise of our official functions. We must stand up for our people and for our own laws. Let us remain true to our mandate as the Legislature," Cayetano said. - GMANews.TV |
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waltjocketty

Joined: 09 Oct 2006
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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Clearly this is a US government conspiracy |
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hugekebab

Joined: 05 Jan 2008
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 7:40 pm Post subject: Re: Accident or murder? |
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NoExplode wrote: |
http://www.gmanews.tv/story/145828/Korean-becomes-19th-fatality-at-Hanjin-facility
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SUBIC BAY FREEPORT, Philippines - A South Korean expat working here was killed Sunday when a forklift ran over him at an assembly facility of the Hanjin Heavy Industries Corp. Philippines.
Police reports identified the fatality as Choi Dong Baek, a 51-year-old supervisor at the sprawling shipbuilding complex located at the Redondo Peninsula in Subic Bay. He was run over by a forklift operated by Menti Dacanay, a Filipino worker, at around 12:45 a.m. at the vicinity of assembly shop C where metal works are done.
Baek was rushed to the San Marcelino Hospital where he expired at about 1:30 a.m. Authorities are still investigating the cause of the accident.
Baek was the first South Korean killed this year and is the first expat to be fatally involved in a work-related accident. His death raised the total number of work-related deaths to 19 since Hanjin's construction and shipbuilding operations began in 2006.
Last Friday, a 19-year-old Filipino worker, Raldon del Rosario, died when a metal base of newly installed canvass door fell on him. He died of massive head injuries. The incident also injured Camalao Bochie, 24, who suffered leg injuries. - John Bayarong, GMANews.TV |
19 deaths at a single Hanjin facility in 3 years? Dangerous company, eh? |
Industry is dangerous, especially in a third world country. Accident. |
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hugekebab

Joined: 05 Jan 2008
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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Doutdes wrote: |
If you think a forklift death must be murder, then you've obviously never worked in an industrial area. One of the first things I learned when I worked in a factory was to not trust anyone else with my safety, especially the 9 fingered co-worker who was too lazy (and dumb) to follow the proper lock-out tag-out procedures when unjamming a mixer.
It could be murder, but it's probably an accident. Just a few months ago an old friend of mine crushed a man (he survived, but broke many bones) with a forklift at a factory in my hometown. Basically what happened was both employees ignored safety precautions. The man who was crushed failed to put an orange cone in front of the aisle of crates he was working on. My friend put away a crate and to save room and time pushed multiple crates so they would be flush. Unfortunately the man was writing down inventory between those crates and was crushed. Both of them didn't follow proper procedures. The company was negligent too because supervisors never enforced safety rules and both actions had become standard practice.
In the US we'd be asking if it's negligent homicide or not and whether the negligence was on part of the driver or the company. It's doubtful he'd be arrested in the US for involuntary manslaughter, but it does happen. In Korea it's a whole different story. Negligence doesn't matter and if the family wishes to, they could probably press charges against the driver. |
A friend of our family was working in a warehouse. A forklift driver dropped a load of pallets right on top of him; crushed him to death.
Forklift accidents are common. I think people picture the small forklifts in their mind, whereas a lot of the industrial ones have rails that are around 7 metres high to get the pallets right off the top of ceiling level shelves; lots of potential there. |
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samd
Joined: 03 Jan 2007
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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Who voted murder? (7% 1 person) |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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It was probably an accident. |
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KoreaninKorea
Joined: 10 Oct 2008 Location: Incheon
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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Well, it depends on how many Koreans work at this company. If the majority of workers are Korean and the most of accidents/death are foreigners, then I can't help think that something isn't right.
I have none of this information. So I won't jump to any conclusions. Of course, we can all agree that the company has to work on thier safety. |
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R-Seoul

Joined: 23 Aug 2006 Location: your place
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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Accidental murder. |
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NoExplode

Joined: 15 Oct 2008
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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KoreaninKorea wrote: |
Well, it depends on how many Koreans work at this company. If the majority of workers are Korean and the most of accidents/death are foreigners, then I can't help think that something isn't right.
I have none of this information. So I won't jump to any conclusions. Of course, we can all agree that the company has to work on thier safety. |
The company and management is Korean, the laborers are Phillipino.
18 Phillipino workers died here, and now one Korean manager.
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NoExplode

Joined: 15 Oct 2008
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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subicslugger wrote: |
Senator urges probe into Hanjin accidents at Subic Freeport
AMITA LEGASPI, GMANews.TV
01/23/2009 | 03:14 PM
Email this | Email the Editor | Print | ShareThis
MANILA, Philippines � Sen. Pilar Juliana Cayetano on Friday urged the Senate to immediately look into the series of accidents at the construction sites of South Korean shipbuilder Hanjin Heavy Industries Corp. at the Subic Bay Freeport.
Cayetano made the request after getting hold of a letter of Korean Ambassador Choi Joong Kyung to Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile trying to dissuade the Senate from investigating the fatal accidents involving Hanjin.
Cayetano said the ambassador�s letter, dated Dec. 23, 2008, highlighted the virtues of Korean investments in the country despite the global economic slowdown.
But in another part of the letter, the ambassador mentioned that the possible Senate inquiry on the accidents at the Hanjin shipyard could have a negative effect not only on the company but on the Philippines as well.
"The policy implication of all its present actions have deep and far reaching effects within and beyond the boundaries of the Philippines," read the letter, copies of which were distributed to reporters.
Latest victim
A total of 18 deaths at sprawling Hanjin shipbuilding facility have been reported, the latest of which happened on Friday at 8:30 a.m.
The Subic Bay Metropolitan Authority (SBMA) identified the latest fatality as Raldon del Rosario, 19, from Kalinga province, an employee of Redondo I-Tech Corp. He died of massive head injuries.
Another worker, Camalao Bochie, 24, also from Kalinga, suffered leg injuries. Both victims were taken to St. Jude Hospital in Olongapo City, where Del Rosario was declared dead on arrival.
Initial reports released by the SBMA said the victims were pinned down by the metal base of a newly installed manual canvass door that fell at one of the assembly facilities of Hanjin.
Workers of Great Steel Con, a subcontractor of Hanjin, were testing the manual canvass door at around 8:30 a.m. when the accident happened, the SBMA said.
Last year, government regulators ordered Hanjin to stop its operations in its one of its assembly shops after an 8-ton girder assembly being lifted by a crane fatally struck a worker at the back of his head. Work, however, resumed as the company assured that all safety measures were being undertaken.
Repercussions
In his letter, the Korean ambassador warned that Hanjin may find it difficult to secure overseas financing in case there would be any shadow cast on its credibility as a result of the investigation.
He said overseas competitors of Hanjin might also feel relieved not to follow Hanjin's pioneering into the Philippines. Competitiors might also find an opportunity in the company's misfortune and seize the chance to eliminate it.
Cayetano asked why the Korean ambassador would stop the investigation when "there is nothing to hide."
"The normal reaction would be telling the investigating body to go ahead with the probe and use the forum to air its side," Cayetano told reporters.
Regrettable, misplaced
She said she finds the ambassador's letter as both regrettable and misplaced.
"Are we now to be told by a representative of a foreign country what we should and should not inquire into as a national lawmaking body, and even be threatened by 'deep and far reaching effects within and beyond the boundaries of the Philippines'?" Cayetano said. "Is it not our duty, as lawmakers of the land, to look into violations and put in place measures to exact compliance?"
She said she was not against the foreign investment or anything against the investments of Korean companies, adding that she was personally supportive of foreign investments that give the economy the necessary stimulus.
"Indeed, the government should create an atmosphere that encourages business and investments. But at the same time, laws aimed at protecting our people and our natural resources must be strictly complied with by all, whether Filipino or foreign investors," Cayetano said.
She further said the Senate should immediately investigate the construction activities at the project site before another Hanjin accident takes place.
"Let us not be dictated upon by the amount of investments by foreigners in the exercise of our official functions. We must stand up for our people and for our own laws. Let us remain true to our mandate as the Legislature," Cayetano said. - GMANews.TV |
Ha! I should be a reporter! |
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madoka

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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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Who voted murder? (7% 1 person) |
I'm guessing the OP, Noexplode, who tends to see wacky conspiracies everywhere. I mean, who else would even bother making an assinine poll like this? Last time, when that poor girl died in a fire due to a drunk ajosshi, he conjectured that it was instead some elaborate failed rape/spurned lover fantasy. Seems his aluminum hat is leeching into his brain.  |
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