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the term 'Professor,' who does it apply to?

 
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toomuchtime



Joined: 11 May 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 1:36 am    Post subject: the term 'Professor,' who does it apply to? Reply with quote

Hey.
I've been thinking about how some English teachers call themselves 'professor'- as they work at universities, but in reality, they don't have PhDs.
Does the term 'professor' only apply to those who have a PhD, or is anyone who teaches in a uni at 'prof'?
Personally, I think one has to have the doctorate, and that the expats that use the title are a bit high on themselves. But that's just my opinion.
Any thoughts?

(BTW, I call myself a 'lecturer' or 'instructor')

Hank- can you find a way to make my query anti-American? Please? Wink
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some people seem to think you MUST have a Ph.D. or doctorate to be a professor. I looked at the faculties of two large Korean universities. Here is a list of professors without Ph.D.s (Notice they have various ranks--assistant, associate, and full--simply written as Professor).
I did not include their names (__ __ __). I am not interested in giving these professors unwanted attention. The highest degree is noted.

Archeology
1. Associate Professor / _ _ _ / Master of Archeology
Arts
1. Assistant Professor / _ _ _ / Master of Arts
Economics (and Management)
1. Professor / __ _ _ / Master of Business Administration
2. Professor / __ __ __ / Master of Arts in Management
Education
1. Professor / _ _ _ / Master of Arts
English Language and Literature
1. Professor /K__ __ __ / Master of Arts
Finance
1. Professor / K___ __ __ / Master of Business Administration
Fine Arts
1. At one university 12 professors have Master of Fine Arts (1 Full, 5 Associate, 6 Assistant)
2. Assistant Professor / K____ ___ ___ / Master of Arts
3. Professor / ___ ____ __ / Bachelor of Fine Arts
German Language and Literature
1. Professor / _ _ _ / Master of Arts
Japanese Language and Literature
1. Associate Professor / ___ ____ ____ / Master of Arts
2. Professor / _____ ____ / Master of Arts
Music
1. Associate Professor / ____ ___ ____/ Bachelor of Music
2. Professor / ____ _____ ___ / Bachelor of Music
3. At one university 10 (full) professors have masters� degrees.
Natural Sciences (Biology)
1. Professor / ___ ___ ___/ Master of Science
Physical Education
1. Professor / C__ ___ ___/ Master of Physical Education
2. Professor / H____ ____ ____/ Master of Arts
3. Professor / K___ ___ ____/ Master of Arts
Sociology
1. Professor / K___ __ __/ Master of Arts in Sociology
2. Professor / __ ___ ___/ Master of Arts in Sociology
3. Professor / ___ ____ ___/ Master of Arts in Sociology
4. Professor /L ___ ____ / Master of Arts in Sociology

This subject has been covered before.
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=12990&highlight=

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desultude



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf

PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Professor" is formally used as a specific job title- "professor", "assistant professor", "associate professor." If you are hired for one of those "visiting professor" positions, you are justified in calling yourself professor. I have taught as a visiting professor, instructor, and lecturer at different universities in the U.S., and the students there always call you professor. I never finished the dissertation, but I have been hired as a "professor." As I said, its just a job title. The PhD. entitles you to be called "doctor."

I call myself an instructor here, because I was hired as a visiting instructor. My students all call me teacher. Its the first time in my life I have been a "teacher". But it is only a title. A job title.
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kiwiboy_nz_99



Joined: 05 Jul 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 3:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Korea you are a professor if you have 'tenure', and esl teachers don't get tenure. If you work in a uni and don't have tenure you're a ���� not ����.
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kangnam mafioso



Joined: 27 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

this is kind of a gray area. i always preferred "instructor," translated in korean as "yong-oh kangsa."
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just say 'professor de inglis' in spanish and leave it vague and confusing much like this post.
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Circus Monkey



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At my old university in the largest department (Arts and Science) there were about 192 professors with Phds and only 2 with a Masters. The rest of the folks listed as "assistants" all had masters except one person who had a Phd.

I second kangnam's take on it. Just call me an "instructor" and don't print glossy ads with made-up credentials.
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Ody



Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: over here

PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote:
In Korea you are a professor if you have 'tenure', and esl teachers don't get tenure. If you work in a uni and don't have tenure you're a �-�� not �3��.


is it possible that this depends on the school? my husband was surprised when he noticed that on my paycheck stub, my position is the korean word for professor.

when people ask what i do, if i don't say i'm an artist, i'll call myself an English Instructor.
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Gwangjuboy



Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England

PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 5:53 pm    Post subject: Re: the term 'Professor,' who does it apply to? Reply with quote

toomuchtime wrote:
Hey.
I've been thinking about how some English teachers call themselves 'professor'- as they work at universities, but in reality, they don't have PhDs.
Does the term 'professor' only apply to those who have a PhD, or is anyone who teaches in a uni at 'prof'?
Personally, I think one has to have the doctorate, and that the expats that use the title are a bit high on themselves. But that's just my opinion.
Any thoughts?

(BTW, I call myself a 'lecturer' or 'instructor')

Hank- can you find a way to make my query anti-American? Please? Wink



I couldn't agree more. I have a friend that introduces himself as a "professor" because he teaches at a uni. In cringe when I hear it. In reality he hasn't got anything above a standard degree.
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The Lemon



Joined: 11 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the "you can't call yourself a professor if you don't have a PhD" thing is actually a misunderstanding - you can't call yourself "DOCTOR" if you don't have a PhD. But if you look up "professor" in a dictionary, it says nothing about a PhD requirement for the term.

But I agree that anyone who goes around calling themselves that is a bit too high fallutin for me. But if someone else wants them to give them the title (which is usually the case here), then fine. Whatever.
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Lloyd Christmas



Joined: 03 Jan 2004

PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with the Lemon on this one. I work at a university and its the norm for the students to call me professor so i don't correct them.
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