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Chet Wautlands

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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:00 pm Post subject: UFC spoiler |
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Hey, anyone else think GSP is awesome? |
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Rteacher

Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA
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Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:10 am Post subject: |
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George St-Pierre did indeed put on a dominating performance as he executed a a very effective strategy to neutralize B.J. Penn's dangerous striking and jiu jitsu skills in a fight billed as one of the most important in UFC history.
Pound-for-pound, he has to be considered in the same class as Anderson Silva and Fedor, I think (though Dana White still ranks him #2 behind Silva in UFC...)
Undefeated Lyoto Machida was also very impressive in his domination of previously undefeated Thiago Silva in the co-featured event.
The whole UFC 94 card was pretty solid, with most of the undercard matches very competitive and close.
Actually, I think that a couple of the decisions probably should have gone the other way.
I think Nate Diaz scored a little more effectively than Clay Guida (who has so much hair covering his face that it's unlikely he can see his opponent half the time...)
I also agree with anyone who thinks that Korean fighter Dong Hyun Kim probably should have gotten the decision over Karo Parisyan (Armenian - like me). But neither fighter did much in the third round, so it could have gone either way after they clearly split the first two rounds (but I thought Kim won his round more decisively).
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http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=eventdetail.fightCard&eid=1816 |
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Chet Wautlands

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Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 1:01 am Post subject: |
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I really want to like Kim Dong Hyun, but he hasn't looked great in the UFC. He shows moments of brilliance, but often he seems weak and ineffective.
I thought the card was OK, but a few of the fights (Guida/Diaz) I'll never watch again.
Do you think GSP should be ranked higher than Anderson Silva in the P4P rankings? It's hard for me to say. GSP has faced generally tougher competition, but Anderson Silva has been more devastating. Both fighters are fun to watch. |
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SMKOREA

Joined: 29 Nov 2005
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Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:26 am Post subject: |
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Rteacher wrote: |
Pound-for-pound, he has to be considered in the same class as Anderson Silva and Fedor, I think (though Dana White still ranks him #2 behind Silva in UFC...) |
I need some enlightening on this whole Pound-for-pound phrase that I seem to be hearing and reading about constantly.
How can GSP or Anderson Silva be considered "top pound for pound fighter in the world", when they are both cutting 20 pounds for fights?
Is the best pound for pound fighter just a cool new way to say who people think the best fighter is? I don't get it. |
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Faunaki
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Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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Rteacher wrote: |
I also agree with anyone who thinks that Korean fighter Dong Hyun Kim probably should have gotten the decision over Karo Parisyan (Armenian - like me). |
Damn straight. That decision was just wrong.
And GSP is delicious! |
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ciccone_youth

Joined: 03 Mar 2008 Location: Japan
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Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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GSP is a French Canadian!  |
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chevro1et

Joined: 01 Feb 2007 Location: Busan, ROK
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Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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GSP looked great, and like Joe Rogan said, he seems to be constantly and consistantly improving every time he fights. One thing that kinda surprised me is how quick BJ ran out of gas. No joke here, I know that his lack of endurance is one of his hallmarks, but his two fights previous to this seemed to show that he had rectified that situation. GSP vs Thiago Alves should be an interesting one...
I also was very impressed with Lyoto Machita's KO victory. He dropped the hammer on Thiago Silva several times thru the first round, and the last one was good night irene. Never really seen that kind of power from Machita before (I've only seen a few of his fights) but he is definitely lining up for a title shot. |
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MANDRL
Joined: 13 Oct 2006 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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GSP was awesome. I like Penn, but I think GSP is just a bad match up for him. I thought Machida looked super impressive too.
Also, Jon Jones looks like he has a great future. He tossed the overrated Bonnar all over the ring. He needs to really work on his conditioning, but he looked pretty damn good overall. |
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Frankly Mr Shankly
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Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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The defeat was needed to keep Penn from coming up a weight class and teach him a lesson to stick to the 155 pound division where he belongs. Taking nothing away from GSP, who is awesome, but Penn looked anything but comfortable with all that extra weight. |
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roknroll

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Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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GSP- superb performance, ran Penn over beginning in round 2.
Penn- didn't look confident when he got into the ring, especially after seeing GSP. Hopefully he'll start showing some class after this humiliation. Called GSP a quitter (even though he's already redeemed himself after Matt Serra 2). Then he ends up quitting, lol. His brother asked him if he wanted it, I didn't hear any reply but his brother knew the answer and called it off. Officially, they said the doctor called it off.
Machida- great performance and definitely a force to be reckoned with. I think he will continue to fluster his opponents in the same fashion. The question is whether he can take the big hit (if it ever lands) and adapt his style if his opponent isnt' running after him.
Jon Jones- no question he'll become a great fighter.
DH Kim- initially i thought he was enroute to a victory. I'd have to watch it again but either way it's arguable. What isn't arguable is his nickname. Stun Gun? He said he'd show the people why they call him Stun Gun in Korea. Get real, how about Glue Gun? No, Gun connotes a hard striking style. How about Glue Stick? Yes, that seems more appropriate. He sticks like glue all over his opponents. |
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roknroll

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Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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SMKOREA wrote: |
Rteacher wrote: |
Pound-for-pound, he has to be considered in the same class as Anderson Silva and Fedor, I think (though Dana White still ranks him #2 behind Silva in UFC...) |
I need some enlightening on this whole Pound-for-pound phrase that I seem to be hearing and reading about constantly.
How can GSP or Anderson Silva be considered "top pound for pound fighter in the world", when they are both cutting 20 pounds for fights?
Is the best pound for pound fighter just a cool new way to say who people think the best fighter is? I don't get it. |
Cutting weight doesn't mean anything, it's a way to try to get an advantage within the rules-->fair. It's a double edge sword, the downside being you could lose endurance if not done properly or possibly miss the mark altogether. So, if this ever becomes a big issue and they want to change it, they can do the weigh-in the morning of the fight. |
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SMKOREA

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Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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roknroll wrote: |
SMKOREA wrote: |
Rteacher wrote: |
Pound-for-pound, he has to be considered in the same class as Anderson Silva and Fedor, I think (though Dana White still ranks him #2 behind Silva in UFC...) |
I need some enlightening on this whole Pound-for-pound phrase that I seem to be hearing and reading about constantly.
How can GSP or Anderson Silva be considered "top pound for pound fighter in the world", when they are both cutting 20 pounds for fights?
Is the best pound for pound fighter just a cool new way to say who people think the best fighter is? I don't get it. |
Cutting weight doesn't mean anything, it's a way to try to get an advantage within the rules-->fair. It's a double edge sword, the downside being you could lose endurance if not done properly or possibly miss the mark altogether. So, if this ever becomes a big issue and they want to change it, they can do the weigh-in the morning of the fight. |
So my question remains, does #1 pound for pound just mean the best fighter? What is the criteria? |
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SMKOREA

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Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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I believe Fedor is head and shoulders above anyone else is the sport, and has been for years.
So I guess he is the best pound for pound fighter? Is there a definition of the term somewhere? |
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Rteacher

Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA
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Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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"Best pound-for-pound fighter" is a carryover term from boxing, and basically means who is the best fighter for their size.
Especially in boxing, you wouldn't match a lightweight against a heavyweight, but the lightweight champion may be considered a better fighter than the heavyweight champ - even though he would probably get knocked-out by the first serious punch landed by the bigger guy. |
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dharma bum

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Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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so, for example, even though he might pound-for-pound be a better fighter, GSP would have a helluva time against a fighter like brock lesnar... it's about the quality of the fighter relative to his weight, as opposed to his overall ability to go up against anyone and everyone, and win. |
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