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bovinerebel



Joined: 27 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just gave it a think . I'm an extremely smart , creative guy with an excellent understanding of behaviourism. It takes all my imagination and skills to ensure my students are always stimulated , motivated and learning anything. It's also taken years of living in Asia to get a grasp of human nature in the big picture. Most people don't even have the slightest interest in what makes people tick even in their own culture and if that's the case I'd suggest you're scr#wed. To be a good English teacher here you need to be more of a social scientist than a language expert.
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NQP



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know how people think that little ones should be taught, but they don't whip out their digital recorders and start taking notes. I think that there is a personality that is better suited to teaching kids and it can't be to serious. If you are worried about being taken seriously, you're in the wrong business.

Having said that, just because your clients don't take you seriously, doesn't mean you shouldn't take your job seriously. If it calls for you to be a clown, do it the best you can.
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trish91198



Joined: 21 Dec 2008
Location: Jukjeon

PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NQP wrote:
I don't know how people think that little ones should be taught, but they don't whip out their digital recorders and start taking notes. I think that there is a personality that is better suited to teaching kids and it can't be to serious. If you are worried about being taken seriously, you're in the wrong business. .


I second that!
If you're not comfortable showing flash cards to a teddy bear, teach older children or adults and lecture them for hours on end. I've taught preschool-1st grade for years, and if you can't get goofy with your students once in awhile, they're gonna get bored and lose interest...FAST! It's all about songs, games, and using up all that energy!!!

As for the clipboards...you are going to be evaluated no matter where you teach. They will stand there watching you while jotting down things here and there, and you'll have no clue what they're thinking...until they decide to finally tell you. Get used to it if you plan on teaching in the future.
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nomad-ish



Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Location: On the bottom of the food chain

PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

trish91198 wrote:
NQP wrote:
I don't know how people think that little ones should be taught, but they don't whip out their digital recorders and start taking notes. I think that there is a personality that is better suited to teaching kids and it can't be to serious. If you are worried about being taken seriously, you're in the wrong business. .


I second that!
If you're not comfortable showing flash cards to a teddy bear, teach older children or adults and lecture them for hours on end.


i do teach older children and i'm still expected by my co-teachers to be loud and crazy and do games all class. i do activities and games often, but i refuse to have my class as one long game all the time
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yawarakaijin



Joined: 08 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
The people on Sesame Street clown themselves all the way to the bank. Wont be many Oscars or dramatic awards in it for those actors, but it pays the bills.


I beg to differ. Wink
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vampirepirate01



Joined: 14 Oct 2008
Location: Incheon, Korea

PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey id rather be a clown that makes a mad salary , then being a sandwhich artist making 5,00 won an hour. Plus there is a negative term for any job out there. i.e.: if your working for some fortune 500 company then your probably a major brown nose.
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NQP



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was wondering, with the new jobs in the public schools, which weren't around when I was in Korea, is there more of a "professionalism" attached to being an ESL teacher. In their own eyes and from the Korean point of view?
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NQP wrote:
I was wondering, with the new jobs in the public schools, which weren't around when I was in Korea, is there more of a "professionalism" attached to being an ESL teacher. In their own eyes and from the Korean point of view?



There used to be. Not so much (if at all) anymore. Too many people coming over and making clowns of themselves in the public school system and too many K co-teachers who don't want to be co-teachers with a foreigner.

Both have put paid to any additional "professionalism" there might have once been. Not to mention clueless administrations and program directors.
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NilesQ



Joined: 27 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Always enjoyed this argument. Do people in Korea still struggle with this one?
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Fallacy



Joined: 29 Jun 2015
Location: ex-ROK

PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 5:48 pm    Post subject: RE: Hired Clowns Reply with quote

Thread revitalization! My next career will be in stand-up comedy in order to capitalize on this experience.
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talentedcrayon



Joined: 27 Aug 2013
Location: Why do you even care?

PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

These formulas sum up the situation:

Clown + Great Teacher = Success
Clown + Terrible Teacher = Success
Serious + Great Teacher = Unlikely to be renewed
Serious + Terrible Teacher = Likely to be fired

If you are a clown there is a "halo effect" when it comes to their opinion of your teaching ability. If you are serious there is "devil's horns effect."

Obviously, this is a generalization. There are definitely some schools in Korea that actually care about your teaching ability. Some parents are smart enough to realize that a serious teacher who teaches well is better than a teacher who clowns around and just plays games.

I am a clown in class. I would rate my own teaching ability as average. I am decent in the classroom, but I am terrible at preparing for my lessons. In spite of this, I have been well-liked by 4/5 schools I've worked for. No one has ever said anything about my preparation. In fact, the feedback is all positive. The one school that didn't like me, only started to hate me after I quit.

I know that there are many areas I need to improve. But, because the students love me, it really doesn't matter.

If you are serious, I recommend teaching adults.
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Brooks



Joined: 08 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting.
Serious and good teacher = not renewed.

Do you think clowns are liked at the high school level too, or
is that the grey zone?
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be successful, you need to be more of a ham than a clown. Just my 2 cents, though...
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