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And yet another one bites the dust (update)
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 2:24 am    Post subject: And yet another one bites the dust (update) Reply with quote

It was inevitable, wasn�t it? It�s only been a couple of months since someone was fired from my school.

This one is Nick.

Nick came to us as something of a Thanksgiving present. All seemed well enough during the vetting process. Everyone was impressed, as we were intended no doubt to be, when told that at 52 he only dated 24-year old Korean women. What we didn�t know was that he was going to tell his students that he only dated 24-year old Korean women. Serially. We were, mostly, more uncomfortable than impressed, when we all went for chicken and beer at the end of the first week and found the hoff open but temporarily abandoned by the staff. Nick helped us all to glasses from behind the counter and poured pitchers of beer for us while we waited for the owner to return�who of course yelled at him for helping everyone to glasses from behind the counter and pouring beer for everyone.

None of us heard the student complaints that he didn�t respect Korean women, that he talked way too much about sex in class, that only he talked and didn�t involve students in any conversation, that he sometimes ignored the class while he played computer games on the classroom computer, that he didn�t prepare for class�when asked for his lesson plan for a 2-hour discussion class, he said he didn�t need one�he was just going to talk. The proverbial doo-doo hit the fan last Friday. It was oral test day on the latest text book. The boss went into the classroom to listen to his oral test (students come in one by one and we talk one-on-one and write a one line evaluation). Nick wasn�t doing any evaluation. All the students were in the room and he was playing a computer game yet again. His defense? The 6-week oral evaluation system (separate from the text book oral evaluation) sucks so he didn�t see any point. Yes, there is no connection.

I suspect there is a dolt magnet buried under our school. That�s the only way I can explain why one dolt after another gets hired and fired at our school.


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candyteacher



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh man!! another great example of someone coming to korea and thinking their above it!!
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TECO



Joined: 20 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know as well as anyone at this point in your teaching career that this is all too common in Asian EFL. Happens left, right and centre in this business at all levels of English teaching - high school, college or conversation schools. I've worked in several countries and have seen it happen also. For example, I worked at a university where one guy didn't give mid-term exams, slept with female students and conducted 5-week final oral exams....5 weeks of oral exams!! Other profs I've known don't even use a textbook.
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asylum seeker



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hell is other 외국인.
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crusher_of_heads



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Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!

PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

candyteacher wrote:
oh man!! another great example of someone coming to korea and thinking their above it!!


Oh, no!!!

They're slaughtering the enguhrishee language!!!
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ThingsComeAround



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems like this guy would fit right in at my last hagwon Laughing Rolling Eyes
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joshuahirtle27



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We had a teacher like that. Dude was 40 and came to us from Alabama with a previous career in sales. There's a sordid story which I'll not disclose on a public forum... but he was dismissed and pulled a runner. It was legen (wait for it
























dary.
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champagne@caviar



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

haha, legendary . . . I worked for a conversation school in Japan and we had a similar teacher. He wasn't a native speaker (he was Japanese), who was a chronic alcoholic who drank at least a bottle of wine a night, borrowed money from students to play pachinko (and often times failed to pay them back), and slept with multiple students (at the same time, which led to him getting fired after impregnating one of them). Classic. All in all though, he was a good guy to kick it with. Just not someone you'd want masquerading as a professional teacher.
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yingwenlaoshi



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:50 am    Post subject: Re: And yet another one bites the dust Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
It was inevitable, wasn�t it? It�s only been a couple of months since someone was fired from my school.

This one is Nick.

Nick came to us as something of a Thanksgiving present. All seemed well enough during the vetting process. Everyone was impressed, as we were intended no doubt to be, when told that at 52 he only dated 24-year old Korean women. What we didn�t know was that he was going to tell his students that he only dated 24-year old Korean women. Serially. We were, mostly, more uncomfortable than impressed, when we all went for chicken and beer at the end of the first week and found the hoff open but temporarily abandoned by the staff. Nick helped us all to glasses from behind the counter and poured pitchers of beer for us while we waited for the owner to return�who of course yelled at him for helping everyone to glasses from behind the counter and pouring beer for everyone.

None of us heard the student complaints that he didn�t respect Korean women, that he talked way too much about sex in class, that only he talked and didn�t involve students in any conversation, that he sometimes ignored the class while he played computer games on the classroom computer, that he didn�t prepare for class�when asked for his lesson plan for a 2-hour discussion class, he said he didn�t need one�he was just going to talk. The proverbial doo-doo hit the fan last Friday. It was oral test day on the latest text book. The boss went into the classroom to listen to his oral test (students come in one by one and we talk one-on-one and write a one line evaluation). Nick wasn�t doing any evaluation. All the students were in the room and he was playing a computer game yet again. His defense? The 6-week oral evaluation system (separate from the text book oral evaluation) sucks so he didn�t see any point. Yes, there is no connection.

I suspect there is a dolt magnet buried under our school. That�s the only way I can explain why one dolt after another gets hired and fired at our school.


Maybe it's a problem with the school. What were you paying him? What was his schedule? How much time did you give him to prepare lessons?

Don't you have a hand in saying who gets hired? I think I remember you mentioning that in another thread about the same fellow.

You've been in Korea a long time and it's possible that you've adopted some Korean characteristics and thinking. Leads me to believe that you could be exaggerating some of this guy's faults and they're being blown out of proportion. Barring that, someone could be. It's just that kind of thing that happens in this country to foreigners.

Maybe you could be tagged as somewhat of a pseudo Korean.
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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This sounds like just the place for your next job, Yingwenlaoshi.


You could turn it into a live broadcast, reality TV show:

The Ying and Yata show.


"Yesterday, Ying and Yata yelled and yelled.

Ying's yak yanked Yata's yo-yo.

Yata's yak yanked Ying's yaya."
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madoka



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:31 am    Post subject: Re: And yet another one bites the dust Reply with quote

yingwenlaoshi wrote:
Maybe it's a problem with the school. What were you paying him? What was his schedule? How much time did you give him to prepare lessons?


When I first read Yata's description (e.g. no teaching ability, more interested in sex with women half his age than working, playing video games in class, etc.), I started wondering how many others sound just like that on Dave's. Then I started wondering, how long before one of these Dave posters start to defend this guy's actions. I mean, I've seen posters defend pedophiles. Sure enough, it was the dude that's been fired three times in the past few months. Razz
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yingwenlaoshi



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:45 am    Post subject: Re: And yet another one bites the dust Reply with quote

madoka wrote:
yingwenlaoshi wrote:
Maybe it's a problem with the school. What were you paying him? What was his schedule? How much time did you give him to prepare lessons?


When I first read Yata's description (e.g. no teaching ability, more interested in sex with women half his age than working, playing video games in class, etc.), I started wondering how many others sound just like that on Dave's. Then I started wondering, how long before one of these Dave posters start to defend this guy's actions. I mean, I've seen posters defend pedophiles. Sure enough, it was the dude that's been fired three times in the past few months. Razz


I wasn't defending the guy's actions. In fact, if he was really behaving in that way, he should be fired. I'm just wondering why they keep hiring people like that and hanging onto them so long. This keeps happening to them. Could be luck of the draw. I don't know.
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.

PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I once worked with a gay, black, Muslim from Texas who supposedly had two masters degrees, was working on an on-line doctorate, and was possibly the stupidest person I have ever met. He didn't get fired. Rolling Eyes
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ChinaBoy



Joined: 17 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 3:37 pm    Post subject: Re: And yet another one bites the dust Reply with quote

madoka wrote:


When I first read Yata's description (e.g. no teaching ability, more interested in sex with women half his age than working, playing video games in class, etc.), I started wondering how many others sound just like that on Dave's. Then I started wondering, how long before one of these Dave posters start to defend this guy's actions. I mean, I've seen posters defend pedophiles. Sure enough, it was the dude that's been fired three times in the past few months. Razz


What's wrong with being interested in women half your age? You think he should go around chasing old bags? That sounds like fun.
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joshuahirtle27



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cruisemonkey wrote:
I once worked with a gay, black, Muslim from Texas who supposedly had two masters degrees, was working on an on-line doctorate, and was possibly the stupidest person I have ever met. He didn't get fired. :roll:


Know how I know you're lying? 4 words. Gay, Black, Muslim Texas. They do not go in the same sentence... There's no way he was stable being from Texas and being a gay black Muslim.
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