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Tribal
Joined: 27 Dec 2008
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 11:21 am Post subject: Apostille for Diploma No Longer Accepted? (U.S. Citizens) |
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So my new school has had all of my visa paperwork for quite some time now, including the apostille. Now they're telling me that immigration is only accepting the original diploma. I believe that's how it used to be, but can anyone tell me if this is again policy? I looked on immigration's website and found nothing (though it's a convoluted site).
It seems utterly ridiculous not to accept apostille - as if to say that immigration doesn't believe California's Secretary of State. So I'm wondering if they aren't somehow playing games. Whattya think? |
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TBirdMG

Joined: 09 Dec 2006 Location: SF, CA, USA
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 11:33 am Post subject: |
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This is news to me.
Immigration SHOULD accept a copy of your diploma as long as it is BOTH notarized and contains an Apostille.
I was provided a visa issuance # from Seoul immi. with a copy of diploma.
Are you using Seoul immi or bondocks immi? |
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hockeyguy109
Joined: 22 Dec 2008 Location: Daegu
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 11:43 am Post subject: |
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Hey tribal-
I hope you're wrong. I sent an apostilled/notarized letter of graduation verification in with my visa documents, but still haven't heard anything back. The recruiter said an apostille was all I needed, but who knows.
Out of curiosity, how long ago did you send your documents over to Korea? I sent mine about 25 days ago and still waiting to hear back from them with my number to go to the consulate with.
When I first started talking to the recruiter, he made it sound like I was going to be able to get over there quite shortly after graduation...but that was 2 months ago. Funny how they get you all excited and then you end up sitting around for weeks waiting for their e-mail. |
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TBirdMG

Joined: 09 Dec 2006 Location: SF, CA, USA
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 11:49 am Post subject: |
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You should never fully trust a recruiter. Deadlines mean nothing. If they are truly in a rush to get you to Korea, then tell them to provide a prepaid one way ticket. Otherwise, it is all conjecture and they will keep you hanging and waiting until the school and recruiter are completely comfortable. If you are paying for a one way reimbursable flight, my suggestion is to give them a deadline for being in-country or you will back out and find another job. Remember...until the visa has been issued by the embassy/consulate...nothing really matters, and nothing is carved in stone.
Don't sit around waiting for some recruiter to expedite the visa. Drive the boat yourself..... |
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ReeseDog

Joined: 05 Apr 2008 Location: Classified
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 11:51 am Post subject: |
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Nobody's getting my original anything. They can be happy with notarapostillecertiblessedbyabishop copies or they can choke on them. |
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blonde researcher
Joined: 16 Oct 2006 Location: Globalizing in Korea for the time being
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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double post in error
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blonde researcher
Joined: 16 Oct 2006 Location: Globalizing in Korea for the time being
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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The recruiter is telling you a lie. The Apostilled copy diploma by the State secretary is all that is required to go to immigration for a visa. These were the new rules last year. I suspect you are being deliberately delayed because the school has either not got its own papers for immigration in order or they are waiting to see how many students enroll for the March new semester.
If enough students do not enroll they are likely to not continue with the process for you and give a you a story about delays and problems 'beyond their control'. Is it a newly opening school you are going to? they may not have the school registered yet and they cannot put your papers into immigration until this happens
25 days is more than a normal delay, you need to get true answers from your recruiter quick. If you send your original diploma they then are trapping you because right now you could have submitted the same set of documents into any job and got a visa. First employer in with papers gets the visa number. Looks like the schools is covering its options all ways to me. |
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Tribal
Joined: 27 Dec 2008
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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hockeyguy109 wrote: |
Hey tribal-
I hope you're wrong. I sent an apostilled/notarized letter of graduation verification in with my visa documents, but still haven't heard anything back. The recruiter said an apostille was all I needed, but who knows.
Out of curiosity, how long ago did you send your documents over to Korea? I sent mine about 25 days ago and still waiting to hear back from them with my number to go to the consulate with.
When I first started talking to the recruiter, he made it sound like I was going to be able to get over there quite shortly after graduation...but that was 2 months ago. Funny how they get you all excited and then you end up sitting around for weeks waiting for their e-mail. |
It's been well over one month. I actually delayed one month for a family reason, so this is making me wonder. |
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TBirdMG

Joined: 09 Dec 2006 Location: SF, CA, USA
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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Tribal -- just move on. You can do much, much better. Get another set of documents prepared ASAP and start soliciting for a new job elsewhere. |
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Tribal
Joined: 27 Dec 2008
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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blonde researcher wrote: |
The recruiter is telling you a lie. The Apostilled copy diploma by the State secretary is all that is required to go to immigration for a visa. These were the new rules last year. I suspect you are being deliberately delayed because the school has either not got its own papers for immigration in order or they are waiting to see how many students enroll for the March new semester.
If enough students do not enroll they are likely to not continue with the process for you and give a you a story about delays and problems 'beyond their control'. Is it a newly opening school you are going to? they may not have the school registered yet and they cannot put your papers into immigration until this happens
25 days is more than a normal delay, you need to get true answers from your recruiter quick. If you send your original diploma they then are trapping you because right now you could have submitted the same set of documents into any job and got a visa. First employer in with papers gets the visa number. Looks like the schools is covering its options all ways to me. |
Well the thing is, this is not a new school. It's one of the big companies. What I've been wondering is if their business is declining and they want to delay. I've heard from a friend there who teaches privates - she says that it's not nearly as busy as it usually is. Same goes for her friends who teach privates. Now I'm obviously not doing that, but the same could apply to hogwans - bad economy, less enrollments. I don't know. I really want to work for this place b/c of the earning potential, so I'll probably just play along. But yea, I don't like the fact that they would be trapping me. That's some b.s.
Thanks to all who have responded! |
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the oak llama

Joined: 05 Dec 2008
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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Does anyone else know for certain...
Is a notarized apostilled letter of proof of graduation accepted in place of a diploma by immigration?
Has it worked for you or someone you know?
My girlfriend called the consulate to ask but there was a bit of a language barrier problem so we didn't really get an answer.
Immigration website says that you can send "certificate of graduation that lists acquisition of diploma" apostilled. I have seen people say that this is not the case though.
More importantly, is it wrong for me to assume that anything that meets immigration requirements will therefore meet the consulate's requirements -- as far as documents? I really don't understand the connection between the two.
Thanks. |
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MissMaggie
Joined: 23 Jan 2009 Location: Jeju
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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I'm Canadian, going through the Toronto Consulate. My recruiter spoke to seoul twice and I called the consulate just to be sure: If you are working in a public school, a letter of completion is adequate (notarized, then notarized again at the consulate). If it's a hagwon, you need the actual degree. |
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Tobias

Joined: 02 Jun 2008
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:50 pm Post subject: Yeap |
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TBirdMG wrote: |
Tribal -- just move on. You can do much, much better. Get another set of documents prepared ASAP and start soliciting for a new job elsewhere. |
Agreed.
I made that mistake once. Like a fool, I played the waiting game for a school, and it was all for naught in the end. I was out of work for five weeks waiting for the job to come through and another three weeks after it fell through.
Give 'em the middle finger salute and move on. I'd give a place a week to get everything arranged, and not a day longer. Live and learn. |
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gnomead
Joined: 28 Jan 2009
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Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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Not to hijack the thread or anything, but I'm trying to avoid being in the same situation, so rather than start a new one...
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If it's a hagwon, you need the actual degree. |
So if I'm applying to hagwons should I have a copy made of the original before-hand in case they stall so I can still apply to public schools?
I just talked with my university registrar and it can take up to two months to get a new diploma processed.
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Give 'em the middle finger salute and move on. I'd give a place a week to get everything arranged, and not a day longer. Live and learn. |
What if they go to immigration in the meantime and you've already sent another set of documents along with a signed contract off to another school?
That's assuming you can even get/afford a second set of documents made in time.
I guess I'm just wondering if people think it's worth being proactive and having a second set of everything made before sending the documents out. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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If it's not true, it sounds like a trick to get (and hold) your original diploma. |
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