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blade
Joined: 30 Jun 2007
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 4:54 am Post subject: |
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Getting to the heart of Darwin
HE WAS AN indifferent student who liked collecting bugs. He studied medicine but hated the sight of surgery. He even tried his hand at divinity studies but preferred to be out shooting and hunting. Charles Darwin failed at many things but his name is universally known for his great success at one � evolution.
His discoveries were so important and so ground-breaking that his name remains fresh in the public�s imagination, even though 200 years have passed since his birth on this day.
Born into a wealthy family with close connections to the famous Wedgwoods, he had a privileged upbringing in a comfortable home, with only the tragically early death of his mother to trouble him. He floundered for a time during his youth as he sought a career, but his life changed forever at the age of 22 when he signed him on as an unpaid naturalist on board HMS Beagle . The ship set sail on December 27th, 1831, on a two-year mission to survey the east and west coastlines of South America; but the journey eventually lasted almost five years. Wherever he went, Darwin meticulously catalogued what he saw, building up a geological and botanical collection and filling notebooks with detailed information.
Most importantly, visits to the Galapagos Islands and other isolated places revealed distinct species of birds and animals that he knew must be closely related to others found on the mainland or other nearby islands. It encouraged him to seek reasons for how unique animal species arose so readily, something he later developed into his theory of natural selection. Darwin did not propose evolution, this theory was already well recognised by scientists in the mid-1800s. How evolution occurred over time was not understood, however, and this is Darwin�s great legacy to humanity.
The how was natural selection, the process that sees attributes that aid survival passed on to the next generation and the disappearance of attributes that do not aid survival. The idea had a long gestation, given it took Darwin 23 years from the end of his sojourn on the Beagle before formally publishing his theories in On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life . The book sold out when published in 1859, and caused surprisingly little fuss, given it undermined the primacy of God in the creation of species. Yet On the Origin of Species put Darwin�s ideas on a later collision course with those who support the creationist view and Darwin has been held up as a hate figure for those who reject evolution. �You have to look at the way his views have impinged on religious views,� says Dan Bradley, professor of population genetics at Trinity College Dublin. �That is why in the public view the man has remained current.� This clash keeps Darwin in the news even today, particularly in the US where evolution is dismissed by many as little more than a theory. And for this reason the powerful Christian right in the US campaigns vociferously for equal treatment for creationist theory in biology text books. Yet evolution and natural selection cannot be rejected as theory given the wealth of evidence seen in fossil remains, the results of breeding programmes and genome studies.
�Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution,� said Ukrainian evolutionary biologist Theodosius Dobzhansky (1900-1975). �Darwin�s insights are absolutely central in biology,� says Bradley. Researchers in medical genetics hold a similar view. �I think that evolution is the glue that holds everything together,� states Prof Ray Stallings, head of cancer genetics at both the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland and the Children�s Research Centre at Our Lady�s Hospital, Crumlin, Dublin.
�It is true for all of the areas of biology. [Evolution] continues to inform us. We are still learning huge amounts from it,� he says. He, too, is dismayed at the creationist rejection of Darwin. �Certainly in the US it is still a raging controversy. The creationists are damaging society; they try to control what is taught in the classroom and insist on their theories being presented . . . as an alternative to evolution.�
Natural selection remains with us today. Our environment is currently undergoing dramatic change, something that has triggered a massive extinction of species. �The ecology of the world is changing and you can read this in the DNA of species,� says Bradley. Humankind, too, will continue to evolve and change, although in what way we cannot predict. �How we are going to evolve and which way we are going to evolve is unclear,� says Bradley.
�We see the results of evolution on a daily basis,� adds Stallings, pointing out that research has revealed the DNA-based interconnectedness between fruit flies, worms and primates. �It is such a wonderful time in biomedical sciences.�
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sciencetoday/2009/0212/1233867932304.html |
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Underwaterbob

Joined: 08 Jan 2005 Location: In Cognito
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greedy_bones

Joined: 01 Jul 2007 Location: not quite sure anymore
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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Is a tomato a fruit or a vegetable?
was never sure about that.. |
This depends on who is classifying it. Botanists say fruit. This is because it has seeds and is used for reproduction.
A chef would probably call it a vegetable because of how it's used in cooking. You probably wouldn't want to eat tomato ice cream. |
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Underwaterbob

Joined: 08 Jan 2005 Location: In Cognito
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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 8:28 am Post subject: |
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| greedy_bones wrote: |
| A chef would probably call it a vegetable because of how it's used in cooking. You probably wouldn't want to eat tomato ice cream. |
It's definitely fruit to Koreans. Tomato ice cream anyone? |
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tomato

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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Rteacher, I understand you to say that the Hare Krishnas claim an apostolic succession dating back to Krishna.
I understand you to claim that apostolic succession as evidence for the infallibility of the words of Prabhupada.
Since Prabhupada rejects Evolution, goes the syllogism, Evolution should be rejected.
I have a few questions about that apostolic succession:
■ I just read that most other guru groups also keep such a chart. How do we know which one is right?
I also understand that Prabhupada appointed 11 successors, each of whom was to rule over a territory. I also understand that the behavior of some of those gurus has not been beyond reproach, and that one of them was convicted of fraud.
■ If Prabhupada was a link in the lineage, aren't these 11 successors also links in the lineage?
Why are you loyal to Prabhupada but not to his successors?
■ If Prabhupada was infallible, how could he make such a serious error in his judgment of character? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Koveras wrote: |
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| tomato wrote: |
I'll choose science over religion any day. |
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They're not mutually exclusive. |
Technically no, but generally yes. |
I believe they are, at least currently. It's a question of orientation. For the evolutionist man is natural, an animal. His spirituality is reducible to his biology. But from the true religious perspective man is not a part of nature, he is transcendent. Spirit assumes first position.
Here is a very good author discussing some relevant points on the "animal ideal":
The defining and spread of Darwinism and evolution were already barometric indicators of this inner attitude. But apart from the domains of theories and science, in the field of ordinary modern life, it has manifested in terms of behaviour, giving rise to what has been called the "animal ideal", especially referring to North America, where it was first realized.
The term applies to that ideal of biological well-being, comfort, optimistic euphoria emphasizing everything that is sheer health, youth, physical vigour, security, and material success, primitive satisfaction of hunger and sexual desire, athletic life, and so forth, whose counterpart is the atrophy of every superior form of sensibility and interest. [...] The kind of man who is thus elevated to the summit of modern civilization is evidently one who has developed only the aspects through which he belongs to an animal species.
I've included that because I thought Kuros specifically might appreciate it. Notice that the "inner attitude" of animality is the cause of Darwinism, and not vise versa.
There is also the matter of epistemology. The so-called 'scientific method' is obviously not of recent creation. What is recent is the arrogance with which scientists assert the worthlessness of revealed or intuitive knowledge (gnosis). In a more reasonable setting these two types of knowledge would be welded; however, today they aren't. That's why I say that currently they are in contest. |
Your excerpt shows why it might be good to accept both reason and revelation. And you're right, there is a culture war that thrives on the opposition of 'science' against religion.
Of course science has no commandments saying that one shalt not believe in revealed texts. And neither do many monotheistic religions have any commandments stating that one shalt not employ the scientific method in explaining efficient cause.
There are a lot of blowhards, however, writing books on both sides of the culture war trying to make the case that reason and revelation don't mix. |
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