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wylies99

Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: I'm one cool cat!
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:43 am Post subject: Korean living in USA bashes USA and Americans in KT |
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Why Korea Isn't So Strange
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/2009/02/137_39876.html
By Yun Chung
An article with the above title appeared in The Korea Times on Jan. 30. The author signed off, ``"The writer teaches sociology at the University of xxxx, Asia." He tried to offer sociological explanations as to ``why Korea is strange." His opinions were, however, grossly ethnocentric and need to be whitewashed. I will call him David.
David wrote, ``[Korea's] thought pattern [is] among the strangest, and its behavioral rationale among the most difficult to comprehend" and ``Korea's social structure, food, clothing, manners of living, language and other aspects of life are some of the 'strangest' the Western world has known about." Wow! David sounds as if he has dug up a Korean tomb in 3009.
David thinks ``hermit kingdom" is a fitting label for Korea, even now. In the late 1800s, Korea was trying to protect itself from Western gunboats and earned the contemptuous label. But it could not remain a hermit, thanks to the secret 1905 ``Taft-Katsura Agreement," in which the U.S. sold Korea out to Japan in exchange for the U.S. right to colonize the Philippines. Thus, the U.S. violated the ``Treaty of Peace, Amity, Commerce, and Navigation between Korea and the United States of America," known as the 1882 Jemulpo (Incheon) Treaty.
David continued: ``Many conclude that Koreans are too impenetrable and weird to understand." He cited ``the mad-cow protests, the National Assembly brawls, the Internet madness, and now the 'Minerva' phenomenon, among others" as examples of the ``incomprehensive strangeness about Korea."
The Abu Ghraib and Gitmo phenomena are more incomprehensive than the ``Minerva phenomenon," and brawls among politicians are not uniquely Korean; they occur in other countries as well. In the U.S., brawls are part of national sport events. The mad-cow protesters were demonstrating against U.S. beef imports. They were also demonstrating against U.S. arrogance.
Some U.S. leaders wronged Korea with their arrogance toward it. Woodrow Wilson was a hero to Koreans when he first proposed the national self-determination principle in 1918. Future president Syngman Rhee was Wilson's student when he was President of Princeton University, but when he appealed to U.S. President Wilson for help in attaining Korean self-determination, Wilson acted deafly and prevented Rhee from obtaining a passport to go to the Paris Peace Conference. President Roosevelt and former Assistant Secretary of State for Far Eastern Affairs Dean Rusk divided Korea along the 38th Parallel, the mother of all evils to the Korean people, as if they were cutting up their lunch steak. 51st United States Secretary of State Dean Acheson excluded South Korea from the U.S. defense perimeter in a policy speech in 1950, prompting Kim Il-sung and Stalin to start the Korean War.
In the spring of 1951, I stood in what was once a village of about 80 homes in Korea. All had burned down, probably due to U.S. napalm. There was not one life in the entire village. I cried for the innocent people who once lived there, laughing or crying. I saw more such villages and cried more. The late United States Air Force General Curtis LeMay was arrogant when he said without any sense of regret that the USAF had reduced Korea to rubble.
David said that the Korean language is unique, and it's true. Windows can support 11,571 Korean syllable blocks, all by simple arrangements of 24 Hangeul symbols. David also said that Koreans can change simple phrases, like ``to eat and live," so as to express ``different degrees of emotions and feelings" that only native Koreans can understand. This is incorrect. He was arrogant and malicious when he stated, ``As a curse, it [the Korean language] keeps Korea forever in the black hole of impenetrable oddness."
If the Korean language were a curse to Korea, so would the Japanese language be to Japan. Both languages share many similarities, including syntax, speech levels, and honorific expressions that may be ``strange" to Westerners.
The U.S. State Department classified Arabic, Chinese, Japanese and Korean into ``Category III, languages which are exceptionally difficult for native English speakers." For me, however, Japanese was very easy and English the hardest, harder than German, to learn. I have been living in the U.S. for over 50 years. My English still hiccups on articles, prepositions, uncountable nouns, tense, and numbers. I just do not have the ``feelings for picking the right words that natives do unconscientiously.
Few Americans, white or non-white, behave arrogantly in the U.S. White Americans abroad, however, seem to feel the urge to display white supremacist arrogance, particularly toward non-whites. They represent a different USA, the ``United Slobs of America" according to a British headline. Why have white Americans abroad behaved differently and arrogantly to perpetuate the unsavory moniker ``Ugly American" since 1958? No other group of people, e.g., non-white Americans, are capable of offending other peoples without really trying.
Of 141 nations that have become U.N. members since 1946, Korea has done better than most, proof that David was wrong in his sociological explanations and claim that Korea will remain in ``the black hole of impenetrable oddness." Odd that there are still many Davids outside the US. Strange that they do not know they are the ones who will remain stranded in the supremacy orbit. Nonetheless, America is a great country in spite of my misgivings as stated above.
The writer is a Korean engineer living in California. He can be reached at [email protected] |
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wylies99

Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: I'm one cool cat!
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:46 am Post subject: |
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He hates the USA and Americans YET he chooses to live in the USA.
HYPOCRITE! |
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mnhnhyouh

Joined: 21 Nov 2006 Location: The Middle Kingdom
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:15 am Post subject: |
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Gee, Korean living in the U.S. slags off the U.S.
wylies99 wrote: |
He hates the USA and Americans YET he chooses to live in the USA.
Rolling Eyes
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There is a place where the exact opposite occurs every 5 minutes.
Read all about it here.
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/
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Ilsanman

Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Location: Bucheon, Korea
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:45 am Post subject: |
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Most of us are not here to stay. We're here for a cash grab.
This guy is there for a cash grab and to stay. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:19 am Post subject: |
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Few Americans, white or non-white, behave arrogantly in the U.S. |
This is bad? What am I missing?
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White Americans abroad, however, seem to feel the urge to display white supremacist arrogance, particularly toward non-whites. They represent a different USA, the ``United Slobs of America" according to a British headline. |
Maybe it's those nefarious Brits you should be taking after. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:19 am Post subject: |
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Just to put the piece in some context:
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David wrote, ``[Korea's] thought pattern [is] among the strangest, and its behavioral rationale among the most difficult to comprehend" and ``Korea's social structure, food, clothing, manners of living, language and other aspects of life are some of the 'strangest' the Western world has known about." |
If this is an accurate description of what Mr. David wrote in the first article, I would hardly call that a standing invitation to reasoned discussion. It sounds like the Korea Times was just trying to stir up some sort of tabloid- style controversy. |
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Chet Wautlands

Joined: 11 Oct 2008
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:27 am Post subject: |
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Seems well reasoned to me. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:27 am Post subject: |
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The writer loved the US before Bush was president.
It is all the fault of Bush. |
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wylies99

Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: I'm one cool cat!
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:38 am Post subject: |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
The writer loved the US before Bush was president.
It is all the fault of Bush. |
Did you read the article? He blames the USA for everything that's happened in the world since 1800.  |
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sojusucks

Joined: 31 May 2008
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:20 am Post subject: |
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Ilsanman wrote: |
Most of us are not here to stay. We're here for a cash grab.
This guy is there for a cash grab and to stay. |
The cash is being grabbed from me alright, especially considering the devaluation of the Won. Food and everything else is increasing in price!
Why would someone want to stay here to have money grabbed from them? Other places, such as Dubai, will pay far more for teachers with 2-3 years of experience and a masters degree. That is where the real money is. |
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Ilsanman

Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Location: Bucheon, Korea
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 6:12 am Post subject: |
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Why not apply to work there?
sojusucks wrote: |
Ilsanman wrote: |
Most of us are not here to stay. We're here for a cash grab.
This guy is there for a cash grab and to stay. |
The cash is being grabbed from me alright, especially considering the devaluation of the Won. Food and everything else is increasing in price!
Why would someone want to stay here to have money grabbed from them? Other places, such as Dubai, will pay far more for teachers with 2-3 years of experience and a masters degree. That is where the real money is. |
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Guri Guy

Joined: 07 Sep 2003 Location: Bamboo Island
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 6:40 am Post subject: |
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There's the idiotic Korean argument again about how the USA sold Korea out in 1905. The Treaty in 1882 was one of Friendship, not a Defense Pact.
More Korean delusional thinking and revisionist history. What a tool.  |
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T-J

Joined: 10 Oct 2008 Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 6:55 am Post subject: |
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It's a counter piece. I'll give the guy a little slack for that. That being said, a historian he is not. |
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Leslie Cheswyck

Joined: 31 May 2003 Location: University of Western Chile
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 7:06 am Post subject: |
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Hey, Mr Yun
Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korea_under_Japanese_rule#Military_conscription
...After the war, 148 Koreans were convicted of Class B and C war crimes, 23 of whom were sentenced to death, including Korean prison guards who were particularly notorious for their brutality during the war. Justice Bert R�ling, who represented the Netherlands at the Tokyo War Crimes Tribunal, noted that "many of the commanders and guards in POW camps were Koreans - the Japanese apparently did not trust them as soldiers - and it is said that they were sometimes far more cruel than the Japanese."[60] In his memoirs, Colonel Eugene C. Jacobs also wrote that during the Bataan Death March, "the Korean guards were the most abusive. The Japs didn't trust them in battle, so used them as service troops; the Koreans were anxious to get blood on their bayonets; and then they thought they were veterans."[61] Korean guards were even sent to the remote jungles of Burma, where Lt. Col. William A. (Bill) Henderson wrote from his own experience that some of the guards overlooking the construction of the Burma Railway "were moronic and at times almost bestial in their treatment of prisoners. This applied particularly to Korean private soldiers, conscripted only for guard and sentry duties in many parts of the Japanese empire. Regrettably, they were appointed as guards for the prisoners throughout the camps of Burma and Siam."[62] The highest ranking Korean to be prosecuted after the war is Lieutenant General Hong Sa-ik, who was in command of all the Japanese prisoner-of-war camps in the Philippines. |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 7:13 am Post subject: |
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sojusucks wrote: |
Ilsanman wrote: |
Most of us are not here to stay. We're here for a cash grab.
This guy is there for a cash grab and to stay. |
The cash is being grabbed from me alright, especially considering the devaluation of the Won. Food and everything else is increasing in price!
Why would someone want to stay here to have money grabbed from them? Other places, such as Dubai, will pay far more for teachers with 2-3 years of experience and a masters degree. That is where the real money is. |
Dubai, hmm?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/12/world/middleeast/12dubai.html?_r=1&ref=world
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Sofia, a 34-year-old Frenchwoman, moved here a year ago to take a job in advertising, so confident about Dubai�s fast-growing economy that she bought an apartment for almost $300,000 with a 15-year mortgage.
Now, like many of the foreign workers who make up 90 percent of the population here, she has been laid off and faces the prospect of being forced to leave this Persian Gulf city � or worse.
�I�m really scared of what could happen, because I bought property here,� said Sofia, who asked that her last name be withheld because she is still hunting for a new job. �If I can�t pay it off, I was told I could end up in debtors� prison.�
With Dubai�s economy in free fall, newspapers have reported that more than 3,000 cars sit abandoned in the parking lot at the Dubai Airport, left by fleeing, debt-ridden foreigners (who could in fact be imprisoned if they failed to pay their bills). Some are said to have maxed-out credit cards inside and notes of apology taped to the windshield.
The government says the real number is much lower. But the stories contain at least a grain of truth: jobless people here lose their work visas and then must leave the country within a month. That in turn reduces spending, creates housing vacancies and lowers real estate prices, in a downward spiral that has left parts of Dubai � once hailed as the economic superpower of the Middle East � looking like a ghost town.
No one knows how bad things have become, though it is clear that tens of thousands have left, real estate prices have crashed and scores of Dubai�s major construction projects have been suspended or canceled. But with the government unwilling to provide data, rumors are bound to flourish, damaging confidence and further undermining the economy.
Instead of moving toward greater transparency, the emirates seem to be moving in the other direction. A new draft media law would make it a crime to damage the country�s reputation or economy, punishable by fines of up to 1 million dirhams (about $272,000). Some say it is already having a chilling effect on reporting about the crisis.
Last month, local newspapers reported that Dubai was canceling 1,500 work visas every day, citing unnamed government officials. Asked about the number, Humaid bin Dimas, a spokesman for Dubai�s Labor Ministry, said he would not confirm or deny it and refused to comment further. Some say the true figure is much higher.
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But Dubai, unlike Abu Dhabi or nearby Qatar and Saudi Arabia, does not have its own oil, and had built its reputation on real estate, finance and tourism. Now, many expatriates here talk about Dubai as though it were a con game all along. Lurid rumors spread quickly: the Palm Jumeira, an artificial island that is one of this city�s trademark developments, is said to be sinking, and when you turn the faucets in the hotels built atop it, only cockroaches come out. |
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