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Smee
Joined: 24 Dec 2004
Location: Jeollanam-do
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 Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:00 pm Post subject: Anti-English Spectrum responds to ATEK petition. |
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Translated by The Marmot's Hole:
http://www.rjkoehler.com/2009/02/20/anti-english-spectrum-dude-on-atek-petition/
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Are AIDS and drug tests for foreign teachers discrimination that run counter to human right? As we�ve conducted activities to expel illegal English teachers, we�ve discovered that it isn�t. According to the Korean Alliance to Defeat AIDS (Marmot�s Note: I think this is this group they are referring to), about 60 nations worldwide conduct AIDS tests on foreigners, depending on the visa. Foreign teachers with AIDS have actually been confirmed, too.
In spring of 2007, our group received a tip from a woman who wanted help. A teacher from Australia threatened her, saying he�d had sex without a condom in southeast Asia and she should be careful of AIDS, too. The tip also said the teacher was loitering around her place, trying to terrify her. After this writer and others pursued him with the cooperation of relevant authorities, he was finally arrested by police in the capital region after living at a guest house in Seoul. It was learned that the teacher had before been fired for molesting a child and had been added to the Korea English Teacher Recruitment Association (KETRA) blacklist.
In early 2007, we got a tip about an American teacher who, while hiding his status as a married man, had approached a woman and had sex with her. This American teacher was teaching children at an educational facility in Gyeongsangnam-do. When we began to pursue him, he fled to the United States; it was later revealed that the female victim had contracted a venereal disease. It was also later revealed that 80% of the counseled at an AIDS counseling center in Itaewon were foreign white collar workers and English teachers. Scandals related to corrupt sexual relations with some unqualified foreign teachers are already widely known.
The same goes for the drug tests. According to the job classification of total drug offenses reported by the Korea Customs Service, 22 of 225 � that is, one in 10 � were foreign teachers. The Supreme Prosecutor�s Office, too, in its white paper on drugs, pointed out that foreign teachers were smuggling in new kinds of drugs. In its white paper, the SPO said the reason for the increase in drug crimes by foreigners from the United States and Canada was the inflow of English teachers. In the case of the foreign teachers caught in southern Gyeonggi-do, they were caught growing and sharing pot in their home, which was equipped with a heater and other equipment. In August 2008, this writer personally witnessed in Itaewon foreign teachers trading cannabis resin for cash, too. |
It goes on to say we need to police ourselves and weed *cough* out our own illegal teachers in order to get sympathy from Koreans.
The group is anti the English Spectrum, but as they don't know how to use a hyphen it looks like they're anti-English. Which they just might be, who knows. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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The reason white foreigners go to counseling about AIDS testing is... NEWS FLASH ... they actually are concerned about protection and safety!
It's a well-known fact that the "barber shops" Korean men frequent do not use condoms of any sort. The truth is, most Korean men just aren't worried about catching AIDS.
They should be. |
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crosbystillsstash
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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yes. The shocking thing is that the cheap pros (mia ri) don't use condoms, while the expensive ones (Kangnam) do. Which ones get more custom?
Kimberley must blame others. |
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toonchoon
Joined: 06 Feb 2009
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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so what exactly is wrong with testing for AIDS? one requirement of being able to teach English in Korea is having a BA degree. once can choose to go to university and earn a degree, or not. one can also choose to engage in sexual conduct, making him/her more susceptible to contracting HIV. so if korea wants to make health a factor whether somebody can come teach or not, then be it.
you all get my point here? |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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For all those posters who cannot understand the term "Kimberley ":
Read this article and you'll see who we're referring to when we use the term. |
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Straphanger
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
Location: Chilgok, Korea
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:38 pm Post subject: Re: Anti-English Spectrum responds to ATEK petition. |
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Yeah, those dickslaps at ATEK stir the shit, then we're the ones that have to deal with the backlash. No thanks. ATEK does not represent me. |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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1) Korean Immigration is supposed to be enforcing Immigration law with regards to illegal teachers.
2) The Hogwan Associations instruct schools and hagwons how to break Korean law with regards to: hiring illegal teachers, breaking contracts, and non-payment of pension, health insurance, and other benefits. Why no crackdown on the activities of these organizations?
3) HIV and AIDS are world-wide problems, and enforcing laws against prostitution and human trafficking would be big steps toward limiting the spread of HIV and AIDS. How seriously does the Korean government enforce these laws?
4) What POSITIVE steps are EVER offered by the anti-foreigner groups? NONE. They simply exist to DEMONIZE all westerners and NEVER offer any options for Korean parents who want their children to learn English. |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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| toonchoon wrote: |
so what exactly is wrong with testing for AIDS? one requirement of being able to teach English in Korea is having a BA degree. once can choose to go to university and earn a degree, or not. one can also choose to engage in sexual conduct, making him/her more susceptible to contracting HIV. so if korea wants to make health a factor whether somebody can come teach or not, then be it.
you all get my point here? |
I don't have a problem with being tested for HIV, and it is a reasonable request, if it's done in a respectful manner. BUT, Korean authorities are FIRST claiming, in the Korean media, that "FOREIGN TEACHERS HAVE AIDS" and using this as an excuse to include this test in the visa process. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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Like a lot of immigration rules, they should be reciprocal.
Our home countries should ask for CRC's and medical checks (let's call it what it is....drug and AIDS tests) for Koreans applying for teaching visas..............
.............problem there is.......how many Koreans apply for teaching visas in the 7 English speaking countries? |
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nomad-ish
Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Location: On the bottom of the food chain
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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| wylies99 wrote: |
| toonchoon wrote: |
so what exactly is wrong with testing for AIDS? one requirement of being able to teach English in Korea is having a BA degree. once can choose to go to university and earn a degree, or not. one can also choose to engage in sexual conduct, making him/her more susceptible to contracting HIV. so if korea wants to make health a factor whether somebody can come teach or not, then be it.
you all get my point here? |
I don't have a problem with being tested for HIV, and it is a reasonable request, if it's done in a respectful manner. BUT, Korean authorities are FIRST claiming, in the Korean media, that "FOREIGN TEACHERS HAVE AIDS" and using this as an excuse to include this test in the visa process. |
i have no problem being tested either; in fact i think anyone working with children should be drug tested, AIDS tested, and submit a criminal check. however, i doubt they do this for the korean teachers.
the thing i find most disturbing about this article is the fact that these writers and ordinary people actually go out and pursue foreigners who they think are illegal, drugees, or infected. that's scary
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bundangbabo
Joined: 01 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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.............problem there is.......how many Koreans apply for teaching visas in the 7 English speaking countries? |
I wish they would - thats my dream for the future - Because I know if and when the Korean teachers work in a British school (for example) they would be treated decentley by the staff - the kids would have them for breakfast though - oh well - Hey ho!  |
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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For all those posters who cannot understand the term "Kimberley ":
Read this article and you'll see who we're referring to when we use the term. |
except its used every time a korean does something wrong. Its very easy to understand the term. The term is a bigot's badge. |
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Troll_Bait
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| eamo wrote: |
Like a lot of immigration rules, they should be reciprocal.
Our home countries should ask for CRC's and medical checks (let's call it what it is....drug and AIDS tests) for Koreans applying for teaching visas..............
.............problem there is.......how many Koreans apply for teaching visas in the 7 English speaking countries? |
I have a Korean friend who went to Canada for a year on a working vacation, and she had to undergo a very thorough medical check.
And in Canada, all teachers must undergo a criminal background check, including the Vulnerable Sector Search, which is why Korean immigration now requires it of Canadians teaching in Korea.
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samcheokguy
Joined: 02 Nov 2008
Location: Samcheok G-do
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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| at $1300 a month, and china at $800 and half the price of living, guess where I'm going in Sept? Stuff like this makes me glad I'm not doing my 3rd year in the land of WTF. |
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sportsguy35
Joined: 27 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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US Population 303,824,640
CIA estimates of people with AIDS as of 2003- 950,000
Ratio 1 in 319
Korea Population 47,817,000
CIA estimates of people with AIDS as of 2003- 8,300
Ratio 1- 5,625
Can you blame a country for trying to keep a disease like this out. I know there are plenty of other STD's and nasty things being passed around from barber pole to barber pole but AIDS hasn't really this country hard yet.
edit. I am in no way defending anti-English or their racist views. Just looking at it from a governments point of view. |
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