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berrieh
Joined: 10 Feb 2009
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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 7:58 pm Post subject: Is it reasonable to ask for 2.3? |
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Ukon
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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2.3 is easy to get if you play hardball negotiating....many schools are desperate.... |
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Scotticus
Joined: 18 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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And the won is worth crap right now. You shouldn't settle for anything LESS than 2.3. |
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berrieh
Joined: 10 Feb 2009
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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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Cool. I told the recruiter 2.3-2.5 depending on hours worked and other considerations.
I'm not coming over till May-ish, so I'm trying to be proactive, but I understand a lot of the offers won't come around until that time. We'll see where the won is then. I think we'll see better rates by August personally but that's based on no scientific knowledge, way too much research that tells me jack shit, and mostly a dream I had. |
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plynx

Joined: 03 Jun 2008
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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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it would be unreasonable to ask for anything less than 2.5. |
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shifty
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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You could easily get 2.4 and 2.5 with a push. However, along with a negotiated higher salary could come a resentful hakwon that wants extras.
There are few that can afford more than 2.2, yet a great many that will offer 2.4 or 2.5, knowing they'll get the difference back through swings and roundabouts.
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You may be well disposed toward kindy, but unless you're one of a select few, chances are you'll learn to hate it.
It is nice to have a fellow native show you around and as a confidant. But there are likely to be standards, when more than one foreign teacher. A ready example is one hour prep and you writing out wads of nonsense that noone ever reads. Maybe meetings. Entertain students who arrive too early. The list is endless.
Best is to insist upon previous teachers' testimonies. Current teacher/teachers should be regarded with caution. |
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man_of_words

Joined: 18 Oct 2008 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:49 pm Post subject: Don't scare her too badly... |
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Sometimes... the extras aren't that bad. Find out if there's a union for foreign teachers at the company. A union can make a real difference when the company pushes too hard or asks too much. |
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crosbystillsstash
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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plynx wrote: |
it would be unreasonable to ask for anything less than 2.5. |
agreed. |
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NoExplode

Joined: 15 Oct 2008
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 6:56 am Post subject: |
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You're a sucker if you're taking anything less than 2.8 with the exchange rate what it is. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 7:04 am Post subject: |
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You should get 2.3, plus all the usual benefits, plus extra nice housing.
If you're coming to party, go to Seoul.
If you're coming to save money, stay out of Seoul.
If you want to really teach, find a good hogwan with small classes, paid training, years of experience, a program in place and a solid financial base.
If you like babysitting and bureaucracy go to a public school. |
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berrieh
Joined: 10 Feb 2009
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 7:11 am Post subject: |
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PigeonFart
Joined: 27 Apr 2006
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 7:12 am Post subject: |
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I've found that location plays a major part in salaries. Those schools that know they're in a desired location (next to Hongdae/Sinchon) tend to offer lower pay.
Those schools that are further out from the city centre tend to offer higher pay.
This is just a general trend that i've seen. Pay is not the only thing that should be considered. I don't agree with 'NoExpolde'. According to him, most hogwon teachers in central Seoul would be "suckers" (because most wouldn't be getting 2.8 ). Other things like working hours and housing and location should be taken into consideration. |
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berrieh
Joined: 10 Feb 2009
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 7:19 am Post subject: |
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ontheway wrote: |
You should get 2.3, plus all the usual benefits, plus extra nice housing.
If you're coming to party, go to Seoul.
If you're coming to save money, stay out of Seoul.
If you want to really teach, find a good hogwan with small classes, paid training, years of experience, a program in place and a solid financial base.
If you like babysitting and bureaucracy go to a public school. |
I'm coming first and foremost to teach because there aren't any (English) teaching jobs in decent, safe schools here right now, and because I've heard great stories from friends about the kids in Korea (I've also heard the problems, but anyone who thinks US kids don't cause just as many problems hasn't had much experience with the US education system!). I think working with the kids here would be a fun experience for me.
Second, I'm coming to pay down a bit of debt - pay off my car, pay down the small loan I took out for grad school. It would be about 10K that I'd like to pay off in a year, ideally. If I don't, I don't. The interest rates are low and the loans are long-term (car till 2012, student loans till 2018) so I'm not obsessing about it. You only live once, and you can't take it with you.
Third, I would like to explore, see new things, and experience a new culture. Drinking isn't super high on my list, though I do like to make friends, go out to a bar occasionally, and be social, etc. That said: Clubs aren't my scene; I'm more of a pub/bar girl.
So, while I someday might want to live in Seoul, it's not the end-all be-all. I just want to make sure I can get clothes or Western food (cooking supplies, not restaurants) on occasion. I'm also quite crappy at Korean geography at the moment, which is why I initially limited myself to Seoul and Busan as I understand both of those cities, where they are, etc. (I'm theoretically open to other cities, but I'd need time to do research which I'm not sure I'd have.) |
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berrieh
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Ukon
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 7:52 am Post subject: |
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Tip of advice, there isn't really much of a pub culture here(except at expat bars).....they have WA bars which are similar in concept only....usually people hit up some "hoffs"(look it up) and then head off to a club, another hoff, karaoke, etc. |
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