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ubermenzch



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:33 pm    Post subject: David Brooks and the moderates Reply with quote

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/03/opinion/03brooks.html?_r=1

Whenever I mention David Brooks to people, they seem to recoil and go off about how he's a conservative. But I've found his writings recently to be incredibly reasonable and one of the few examples I can find of intelligent non-ideological opinion. Can anybody recommend some other moderates worth reading? Any opinions about Mr. Brooks?
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Kuros



Joined: 27 Apr 2004

PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't care so much about his political alignment, his commentary is terrible.

One article in particular turned me off. That would be this one.

Brooks wrote:
If you show an American an image of a fish tank, the American will usually describe the biggest fish in the tank and what it is doing. If you ask a Chinese person to describe a fish tank, the Chinese will usually describe the context in which the fish swim.

These sorts of experiments have been done over and over again, and the results reveal the same underlying pattern. Americans usually see individuals; Chinese and other Asians see contexts.

You can create a global continuum with the most individualistic societies � like the United States or Britain � on one end, and the most collectivist societies � like China or Japan � on the other.


The English-language Sinosphere tore him a new one, with a good guide to that here.

I lost all respect for him very quickly.
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ubermenzch



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, reading that article and the responses, i think Brooks was guilty of oversimplification, and should have stuck to writing about something he knows more about, like American politics, which i think he is masterful at. if he wanted to make the individualistic vs. collectivist argument, he would have been better served by using the example of Japan, but i guess that would have been a less salient example at the time.
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Jeff's Cigarettes



Joined: 27 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find myself tremendously impressed by David Brooks� ability as a one-handed typist.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I rather like listening to/reading David Brooks, and George Will for that matter. I suspect their days in the GOP are numbered.

My guess is they'll be driven out and will hold a confab in Henry Clay's old home and resurrect the Whig Party.
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Doutdes



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't stand Brooks. He's the idiot that said Obama was elitist and people couldn't imagine him eating at an Applebee's salad bar. Applebee's doesn't have a salad bar. And that's just one of his many mistakes.

What's worse is that Brooks replaced William Safire. I often did not agree with Safire, but the man know how to write. And the man knew how to make convincing arguments.


Brooks isn't the worst NY Times columnist though. That award goes to Maureen Dowd.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doutdes wrote:
I can't stand Brooks. He's the idiot that said Obama was elitist and people couldn't imagine him eating at an Applebee's salad bar. Applebee's doesn't have a salad bar. And that's just one of his many mistakes.


That's pretty funny. So does that mean that Brooks's elitism is greater than Obama's, no matter how elitist Obama may be?

But I concur. There's something really irritating about factual errors that could have been easily verified, and something really arrogant (elitist?) about believing that such errors are minor.

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Brooks isn't the worst NY Times columnist though. That award goes to Maureen Dowd.


QFT.
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ubermenzch



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you were a regular reader of Brooks' column you would know he is actually a great admirer of barack obama's and quite early on predicted many republicans would vote for him. i dont recall brooks calling obama an elitist. i know he preferred mcain but i dont think he ever was parroting the ridiculous slogans of the right wing.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So does that mean that Brooks's elitism is greater than Obama's


Please define 'elitism' as used in that sentence.

I don't see either of them as elitist. I did hear Brooks say that it was a good thing that Obama was bringing in people with actual experience in their field. I hope you didn't mean that was elitist. Has American education sunk so low that people who can write a complete sentence are now regarded as elitist?
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
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So does that mean that Brooks's elitism is greater than Obama's


Please define 'elitism' as used in that sentence.

I don't see either of them as elitist. I did hear Brooks say that it was a good thing that Obama was bringing in people with actual experience in their field. I hope you didn't mean that was elitist. Has American education sunk so low that people who can write a complete sentence are now regarded as elitist?


Elitism is usually exhibited by excessive belief that your way is better than others, accompanied by an ignorance about those same others' experience.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your definition. You seem to use 'elitism' the way I use 'self-centered'.
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