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Psy

Joined: 11 Sep 2003
Location: Hongdae

Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 9:27 am Post subject:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

Your point is not valid. Circus Monkey never said that ALL Koreans were emotional and couldn't argue their way out of a paper bag. He further qualified this by saying "in his experience". What he did say was that in his experience the majority of Koreans get emotional. His experience may not be the same as yours...but it doesn't make it any less valid. How can you say his experience is not right? It wasn't yours, and you don't know anything about it. Arguing over that is being silly.

Now if he had said ALL Koreans are emotional or even that the MAJORITY of Koreans are emotional then you would have a case. But he said "In my experience." Therefore you are arguing about something you know nothing about (his experience).

This is called an example. And since you read my posts so carefully, you should realize that this was not my major point. Read my posts again and you will find that my major gripe is WHY he is attempting so hard to point this out to people on this board. If I had changed it from ALL Aussies to the MAJORITY of Aussies, would that make a difference? You say I would have a case then. But would that change the opinion that maybe I had something against Aussies in general? NO, so YOU fail to get the point and your response is silly and absurd. You have no idea what we are even arguing about after I wrote 3-4? responses. It is his INTENT, his REASONS, not his EXPERIENCES. Moreover, he states he wishes that there were Koreans here NOW that are emotional, and that can't argue. Where I asked him how he knows if someone is Korean or not. And he quoted that he doesn't have the time or resources to check out the background of forum users. GOD I HATE REPEATING MYSELF OVER AND OVER AGAIN. It feels like a classroom. Understand now?

TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 11:06 pm Post subject:

Psy wrote:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

? NO, so YOU fail to get the point and your response is silly and absurd. You have no idea what we are even arguing about after I wrote 3-4? responses.

No. He clearly stated that these were his experiences. You took issue with that. Thus making your posts "silly and absurd". It is not so much that I don't know what you are arguing about, as that it is you don't know. You saw it as a slight on Koreans (never mind that he said "some" and not all) and responded with a bunch of garbage that had absolutely nothing to do with it.
Hint: before calling the "kettle" black make sure you're not a pot.

Last edited by TheUrbanMyth on Fri Jan 16, 2004 11:14 pm; edited 1 time in total

TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 11:14 pm Post subject:

Psy wrote:

[Do you want people to respond to your post by stating or thinking to themselves... "Why yes, he's right, Koreans are ALL emotional on this board and if I find out one of them is indeed Korea, I'd better either avoid them or try not to argue with them."

The capitals are mine, just drawing attention to where you said all. Now please find an example where Circus Monkey said that all Koreans were emotional and couldn't argue. No? Then you are wrong. Understand now? Good. As for feeling like you are in the classroom you should. We are trying to teach you something. In my case the difference between "some" and "all". Also when a poster says "in my experience Koreans are----------" IT DOESN'T MEAN ALL KOREANS ARE "---------"

Sheeeeesh!

[/i]

Circus Monkey

Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: In my coconut tree

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 5:29 am Post subject:

Psy, are you a Korean? Be honest. CM

TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 5:32 am Post subject:

Circus Monkey wrote:

Psy, are you a Korean? Be honest. Smile

I want to know this too. Because to be honest...you haven't argued your way out of this paper bag yet Very Happy

Psy

Joined: 11 Sep 2003
Location: Hongdae

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 7:20 am Post subject:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

Psy wrote:

It is not whether I agree or disagree. What you have experienced, is your own experience. I have no problem with you or your other posts. This one was short-sighted.

Psy wrote:

There are Koreans who get emotional just as there are Westerners, Europeans, and others who do as well. I cannot comprehend why you single out Koreans unless you have something against them.

Psy wrote:

You may be trying to convey an "experience" on this forum, but I see nothing to be gained from such a post. It is offensive.

You seem to have not realized what I am arguing once again so i clipped out my POINTS VERY CLEARLY FOR YOU.

Here is the difference between all and some "Koreans" which seems so important to you that I already pointed out in my previous post.

Quote:

Here's a clue, so far, every question and every point you are trying to make to me has been already answered in my posts. Try reading them before you post something that makes me repeat myself to you.

Thanks.

Psy

Joined: 11 Sep 2003
Location: Hongdae

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 7:25 am Post subject:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

I already proved my point in the post above, whether it was all or not, it makes no difference. SO, you are trying to teach me that there are statements that are "some" part offensive and stereotypical, while others are "all" offensive and stereotypical? I am trying to teach you that IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE. I can have a "some" part of a piece of sh*t or "all" of a piece of sh*t. It makes no difference because it is still a piece of sh*t. Get it? But, I already posted this 3 times and you don't seem to.

And I never said all koreans are, did I? I quoted him as he wrote. So why are you telling me something I never stated or said about Koreans?

Psy

Joined: 11 Sep 2003
Location: Hongdae

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 7:47 am Post subject:

Circus Monkey wrote:

Psy, are you a Korean? Be honest.

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

I want to know this too. Because to be honest...you haven't argued your way out of this paper bag yet

To CircusMonkey, I reply, first I want you be to be honest that you see my point and I will be happy to oblige.

To TheUrbanMyth, I reply, you seem to nitpick at small insignificant details and fail to see the whole general point of peoples' posts. You seem to see only "your" point of view and what is most important to you is grammar and trying to find contradictory statements that have little to no weight on the whole argument itself. If you reread the whole argument from the beginning, you will see just how silly your responses have been and that your posts have helped no one and have had no point in either cases. (CircusMonkey's or mine)

And I hope that me being Korean won't matter to you, (if I indeed am). Here are a couple of responses that could come back to me I've thought about. 1) See, another emotional Korean. 2) Wow, a Korean that can argue rationally. Or if I'm not Korean, 1) See there are Westerners who are emotional too. 2) Wow, Westerners can argue well, why can't Koreans be like this.

As I see personal questions coming up, I see this argument is coming to an end and I will leave it at that. Thank you, I enjoyed expressing my opinions.

Moreover, I won't ask why your personal question would make any difference to the argument at hand or the such. I genuinely believe you are just interested in my background.

TheUrbanMyth, I assume is just trying to either rile something up or continue the argument. (This I assume from earlier posts and "attitude" in these posts.) Would we call that emotional, maybe? heh. But, I could be wrong. Which I will never fail to admit, if I am. (Unlike many people, not just on this forum, but in this world)

TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 12:23 am Post subject:

Psy wrote:

[. Thank you, I enjoyed expressing my opinions.

)

Did you enjoy looking ridiculous too?

TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 12:31 am Post subject:

Psy wrote:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

Your post is nonsense. So you are saying that it doesn't matter if we say some or all. Some Koreans are too emotional, as are some Canadians, as are some Americans, as are just about every other nationality. Stop trying to make out Koreans as somehow above it all. Yes some Koreans are not too good at arguing, same as some of all other nationalities. It is not stereotypical and offensive to mention facts. And these are facts as borne out by mine, CM and MANY MANY other posters" experiences on these boards. Are you trying to say you are right and we are all wrong?

If I were you, I'd stop posting. Do you really enjoy being a laughing stock? Look at the other thread where people are tearing you and your arguments apart. Maybe you should leave the boards and come back after you get a new user name. Sorry, but "Psy" has lost all credibility.

Psy

Joined: 11 Sep 2003
Location: Hongdae

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 9:18 am Post subject:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

Seems like each and every post I make is a repetition, because you don't seem to "get" it. IN THIS INSTANCE, it does not matter whether it is "all" or "some" as the quote I gave you. And you so nicely posted again in my quote. You want me to snip it out again? FINE.

Psy wrote:

If I had changed it from ALL Aussies to the MAJORITY of Aussies, would that make a difference? You say I would have a case then. But would that change the opinion that maybe I had something against Aussies in general? NO, so YOU fail to get the point and your response is silly and absurd. You have no idea what we are even arguing about after I wrote 3-4? responses. It is his INTENT, his REASONS, not his EXPERIENCES.

Here's another one,

Psy wrote:

SO, you are trying to teach me that there are statements that are "some" part offensive and stereotypical, while others are "all" offensive and stereotypical? I am trying to teach you that IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE. I can have a "some" part of a piece of sh*t or "all" of a piece of sh*t. It makes no difference because it is still a piece of sh*t. Get it? But, I already posted this 3 times and you don't seem to.

Read that again carefully, and you will see my point on why it makes no difference IN THIS CASE. You honestly don't think that I meant in each and every case, because if you did, you're just plain stupid. And I know you're not stupid.

The point ONCE AGAIN in my posts, is what is the point of pointing out if some race/nationality/creed/gender, is "better" at posting or arguing than another race/nationality/creed/gender. Even if it is your experience, someone else's, or the president's. WHAT IS THE INTENT? OTHER THAN,

Ugh Find my other quotes. I'm getting lazy.
1) Putting yourself over others. 2) Putting others below yourself.

Another matter, How do you know if this is a fact or not. Do YOU or anyone else have the resources or energy to do a background check on every member of this forum and every person you have, had, or will argue with in the future?

And you know what? You must actually think that I care if I lose or have credibility of people on this board. It must be sooooo important in your life that if somehow people don't agree with your opinions and disagree with you, that it would kill you to actually express yourself. I, on the other hand don't give a sh*t, what other people think of me. I express what I think is right and if people learn something, fine, if I learn something, great. If people don't like me, big f'ing deal. You are people on a forum, not my friends. So, to you I might have lost all credibility, but to others, I may have not, and to me your opinion doesn't mean sh*t.

kiwiboy_nz_99

Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 12:47 pm Post subject:

This has been a regular old love in by the looks, and mighty exciting too, so I want to commend you all for the show, keep up the good work.

Circus Monkey

Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: In my coconut tree

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 8:36 pm Post subject:

kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote:

This has been a regular old love in by the looks, and mighty exciting too, so I want to commend you all for the show, keep up the good work.

Thanks kiwi!

Psy, I think you are very good at putting words into people's mouths. Especially mine. And I already answered your question but I fear that your emotions are blinding you.

Ah well. Time to move on and bother...er...argue with someone else. Perhaps we can discuss about paper bag quality.

CM

TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 3:57 am Post subject:

Psy wrote:

[The point ONCE AGAIN in my posts, is what is the point of pointing out if some race/nationality/creed/gender, is "better" at posting or arguing than another race/nationality/creed/gender. Even if it is your experience, someone else's, or the president's. WHAT IS THE INTENT? OTHER THAN,

.

No one is arguing that some race or nationality is better than some other race or nationality at posting. That is a fabrication dreamed up by you. We are saying that "some Koreans" are not good at arguing logically, SAME AS EVERY OTHER RACE. Let me ask you a simple question so that you can understand. Are you saying that ALL Koreans are good at arguing logically and never get emotional? If the answer is no then you agree with me. That is ALL I am saying, that not all Koreans argue logically and never get emotional. By default then some Koreans are not good at arguing and get emotional, SAME AS EVERY OTHER RACE.

Stop putting words into my mouth and read the posts.

TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 2:51 am Post subject:

[quote="PsyAnd you know what? You must actually think that I care if I lose or have credibility of people on this board. It must be sooooo important in your life that if somehow people don't agree with your opinions and disagree with you, that it would kill you to actually express yourself. I, on the other hand don't give a sht, what other people think of me. I express what I think is right and if people learn something, fine, if I learn something, great. If people don't like me, big f'ing deal. You are people on a forum, not my friends. So, to you I might have lost all credibility, but to others, I may have not, and to me your opinion doesn't mean sht.[/quote] The reason I believe you care (despite what you say) is that your actions are in direct constrast to your statements. You say you don't give a st but make post after post. Obviously you do give a st because if you didn't you wouldn't go to the trouble of making all these posts. If my opinion didn't matter why respond? Now don't respond to this, because if you do, it will just prove me right. Besides since you have lost your credibility anyways, it doesn't matter.

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