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New teachers from the USA--verse yourselves in the tax codes
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Tobias



Joined: 02 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:12 pm    Post subject: New teachers from the USA--verse yourselves in the tax codes Reply with quote

If you're from the USA and are coming to Korea to work for the first time, you'd be wise to become aware of certain tax codes and forms. You'll be working in Korea, meaning you'll have a certain tax responsibility here. You'll also be making more than the minimum amount required to file with the IRS if you stay here for any appreciable amount of time. Naturally, there will be tax paperwork to submit to both governments in these cases.

You'd be smart to read up on the following:

The USA-Korea tax treaty. Workers here from the USA are exempt from paying taxes to Korea their first two years.

IRS forms 8802 & 6166. These forms are used to get a refund from the Korean government if you have taxes taken out of your salary here in your first two years.

IRS forms 2555 and 4868. These forms are used to declare income earned overseas and to apply for time extensions on filing.
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bodybydada



Joined: 07 Sep 2006
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will have to double check this, but I thought the threshold for paying US income taxes on income earned while living (residing) abroad was much higher--in the neighborhood of 80,000-100,000 (including amenities like housing and school stipends for children). Has there been a recent change to that?
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bodybydada



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the threshold is 87,500, but you first have to pass the bonafide residnece test (12 consecutive months, usually for the tax year in question) or physical presence test (330 days in a calendar year spent in foreign country or countries).

You will need the 2555 EZ form for this exemption.

Your post was a little misleading. Yes, one must file, but no, one is not obligated to pay taxes in the US. (i know of no teachers here making over 87,500--although they certainly exist)
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bogey666



Joined: 17 Mar 2008
Location: Korea, the ass free zone

PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bodybydada wrote:
the threshold is 87,500, but you first have to pass the bonafide residnece test (12 consecutive months, usually for the tax year in question) or physical presence test (330 days in a calendar year spent in foreign country or countries).

You will need the 2555 EZ form for this exemption.


this suggests that for e.g. if one starts to work in Korea in say Feb of 2008 and stays until Feb 2009.

and that person files a US tax return for the year 2008.

that person would FAIL the "residence test".
because he/she was in the US for one month.

which I suppose then means I am supposed to pay US taxes on that income?? in US Dollars?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

a wholehearted PHUCK THAT!
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Straphanger



Joined: 09 Oct 2008
Location: Chilgok, Korea

PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bogey666 wrote:
which I suppose then means I am supposed to pay US taxes on that income?? in US Dollars?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

a wholehearted PHUCK THAT!

Your withholding was in USD. Your salary was in USD. Therefore, your tax is in USD. It's not hard.

That said, if you're going to post threads about taxes and not include links, you need to expect to get flamed.

Although...
bogey666 wrote:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

is what he'll be saying when he's done OZ style in a federal prison for flaunting the tax code.
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tired of LA



Joined: 06 Nov 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bogey666 wrote:
bodybydada wrote:
the threshold is 87,500, but you first have to pass the bonafide residnece test (12 consecutive months, usually for the tax year in question) or physical presence test (330 days in a calendar year spent in foreign country or countries).

You will need the 2555 EZ form for this exemption.


this suggests that for e.g. if one starts to work in Korea in say Feb of 2008 and stays until Feb 2009.

and that person files a US tax return for the year 2008.

that person would FAIL the "residence test".
because he/she was in the US for one month.

which I suppose then means I am supposed to pay US taxes on that income?? in US Dollars?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

a wholehearted PHUCK THAT!


Its any 12 month period. So Feb. 2008 to Feb. 2009 would qualify you for the physical presence test.

http://www.irs.gov/faqs/faq/0,,id=199670,00.html
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Tobias



Joined: 02 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bodybydada wrote:
I will have to double check this, but I thought the threshold for paying US income taxes on income earned while living (residing) abroad was much higher--in the neighborhood of 80,000-100,000 (including amenities like housing and school stipends for children). Has there been a recent change to that?


Body, you're thinking of the Maximum. That's 87,500 this year.

I'm talking about the minimum, which is about 10% the maximum. If you make below the minimum, you don't have to file. If you make more than the minimum, you must file. Again, whether you actually have to pay taxes on your above-the-min earnings depends on a couple of variables.
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Tobias



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bogey666 wrote:

this suggests that for e.g. if one starts to work in Korea in say Feb of 2008 and stays until Feb 2009.

and that person files a US tax return for the year 2008.

that person would FAIL the "residence test".
because he/she was in the US for one month.

which I suppose then means I am supposed to pay US taxes on that income?? in US Dollars?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

a wholehearted PHUCK THAT!


Relax. You'd be exempt, as you'd file AFTER you'd been away from the US for a year and therefore pass the physical presence test . I was in the USA for the first two months in 2007, but I was exempt from taxes for 2007, as when I filed (May 2008) I had been gone from the USA for more than a year. The IRS had no problem with this. My contract started in March 2007 anyway.
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rac118



Joined: 23 Feb 2009

PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 4:25 am    Post subject: Re: New teachers from the USA--verse yourselves in the tax c Reply with quote

Tobias wrote:


You'd be smart to read up on the following:


thanks dad. got a little time on our hands?
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Tobias



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure do. Waiting on my plane ride out of here. You can have the 1500+ -to-1 babysitting gigs.
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rac118



Joined: 23 Feb 2009

PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bogey666 wrote:


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

a wholehearted PHUCK THAT!



was that supposed to be smart or funny?
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I-am-me



Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Hermit Kingdom

PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been in korea 5 years an never did a tax form. What for? I have my 40 quarters required for social security. For all the IRS knows, I have been living under a bridge. Dont be scared of the IRS...you dont make enough! Laughing
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bogey666



Joined: 17 Mar 2008
Location: Korea, the ass free zone

PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see. Ergo if I started in May 2008.. and file in Apr 2009, I should be able to pass the so called foreign residence test.

p.s. umm... no... my earnings were in toilet paper won.. my withholdings were in toilet paper won - but you expect me to pay any taxes in USD?
No... I don't think so.
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rac118



Joined: 23 Feb 2009

PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bogey666 wrote:


p.s. umm... no... my earnings were in toilet paper won..



was that supposed to be smart or funny?


bogey666 wrote:
my withholdings were in toilet paper won




dude, i cant even make an actual joke
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rac118



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

let me be clear that in every post im done with sarcasm
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