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OneWayTraffic
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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I wonder how they're going to work this. Is it simply allowing most corporations to sponser an E2? Or is it allowing E2s to add corporate work to their AI card as a work location. The main advantage of F2s is our ability to come and go.
If they really allowed E2s to own their own visa. Then that would truly be a revolutionary step. I'd bet the hagwon association would really kick up a fuss. It wouldn't be good for me, but it would be good for Korea. |
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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But then that'd be discriminatory to all other work visas.
The Human Rights Commission would have to push for all work visas to allow different types of employers to be added.
And then there'd be no more work visa sponsorship. |
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OneWayTraffic
Joined: 14 Mar 2005
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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But then that'd be discriminatory to all other work visas.
The Human Rights Commission would have to push for all work visas to allow different types of employers to be added.
And then there'd be no more work visa sponsorship. |
Right. And that would be a pretty hard pill to swallow. Allowing foreigners to come and go as they please. I'm guessing that this will be a compromise, and F2s will still have a significant advantage. |
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crazy_arcade
Joined: 05 Nov 2006
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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I would hope that this would be a step towards allowing qualified E-2 holders to own their own visa. I can't see any reason why a certified teacher shouldn't (uni degree plus tefl/tesl/celta/tesol or education degree) be able to hold their own visa, take jobs where they want to and pay taxes legally.
I think this is something that no one can disagree upon.
There are certainly a large number of under-qualified F visa holders in this country making a killing due to their privileged status. Of course, there are a number of F-visa holders who are highly skilled in business English or whatever they concentrate in.
Of course, this is obviously a result of hagwon lobbyists. As another poster pointed out...the hagwons will send out their contract teachers who get a salary of 2.0 and will charge, most likely, 100/contact hour.
Sometimes, this place and it's illogical ways make me cringe so much. |
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mike123_ca

Joined: 12 Mar 2003 Location: wandering between Chonan and Asan
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Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 3:20 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
But then that'd be discriminatory to all other work visas.
The Human Rights Commission would have to push for all work visas to allow different types of employers to be added.
And then there'd be no more work visa sponsorship. |
I know in Japan those on teaching visa's have freedom of movement.
If I moved to Thailand, I have the choice of going as a teacher ( b-visa) or marriage ( o-visa). I can work at extra schools or teach privately on both visa's. My employment is not restricted due to the visa.
I wish ATEK would try to work on the problem of the E2 visa. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| OneWayTraffic wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
But then that'd be discriminatory to all other work visas.
The Human Rights Commission would have to push for all work visas to allow different types of employers to be added.
And then there'd be no more work visa sponsorship. |
Right. And that would be a pretty hard pill to swallow. Allowing foreigners to come and go as they please. I'm guessing that this will be a compromise, and F2s will still have a significant advantage. |
For foreigners to swallow. No work sponsorship would likely mean no free airfare or housing. Why would you pay someone airfare to come over here when the risk that they can leave for another better-paying job is so high?
So you'd pay for your own airfare and housing...which giving the tanking won would mean you wouldn't save all that much at the end of the year.
Ever hear the old adage "Be careful what you wish for." It applies in this case as well. |
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OneWayTraffic
Joined: 14 Mar 2005
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Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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Good point Urban Myth. I was thinking of potential unforseen consequences, but this one passed me by. Maybe because I've been here in my own place paying all my own bills for the last 7 years. But when I came here, the lack of startup costs- and it's associated effect on risk- was a very important factor. I certainly know that I would have gone to Japan or Taiwan if all else had been equal.
So I'll still guess that if and when this comes through it will be a simple possible addition to your visa, very much like adding another kindergarten, PS or hagwon is now. That would keep both hagwons, companies, and a certain number of E2's happy. |
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Faunaki
Joined: 15 Jun 2007
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Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm F2 and all for E2s getting more rights. The whole privates are illegal to teach is annoying. |
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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| The whole privates are illegal to teach is annoying. |
Well that's a good reason to change a law. |
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Faunaki
Joined: 15 Jun 2007
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Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Faunaki wrote: |
| The whole privates are illegal to teach is annoying. |
Well that's a good reason to change a law. |
Ok I'll rephrase - The whole privates are illegal to teach is BS. |
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