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Prep, Meetings, and Paperwork: How Much is Too Much? (long)
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Mr. Pink



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China

PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dulcineadeltoboso wrote:
Oh, I forgot to mention. I have my own housing and and an F4 visa, so if I quit, I don't have to move and I can get a new job with no problem.

I also have a return ticket home, should I decide to leave Korea altogether. Don't know if this affects any advice people want to give.


Kinda curious what the problem is then?

They are exploiting you. If I was in your shoes I'd just tell them no. If they fired me, they fired me. You are a hawgwon teacher, not a school teacher. I could see if you were at a school you would need to do more outside work, but a hawgwon...I seriously dont get all the reports and prep work.
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Gord



Joined: 25 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Pink wrote:
They are exploiting you.


?

"We'll pay you money to work for us. You have to be at the school seven hours a day, and you will have to teach up to six 50 minute classes a day. Plus you will have to ensure you have done prep work for the classes."

"ok"

Time goes by, only the average is five or four classes a day instead of six. Suddenly, six classes a day start appearing on the schedule.

"Hey! That's uncool! I want more money before I start doing what I agreed to do!"
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wylde



Joined: 14 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

is your boss a good man/woman?
are you being paid on time?
are you?
do you?
have you?
... are things other than hours and prep work good?

blow it dude..throw in 2 free hours a day, throw in 6.. i do sometimes and it doesn't kill me..
i take work home. in my last school i had 170 evaluations to write every month (which took about 15 hours). now i have 750 diaries to check and correct, i don't want to but my job is to teach... i don't complain about hours or money. all these things were not in the contract but.... when i hear about some of the sorry ass stories on here, i am greatful it only cost me a bit of my time and nothing more
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prairieboy



Joined: 14 Sep 2003
Location: The batcave.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to agree with Gord. You signed the contract for 6 classes a day. Regardless of what was said about only being required to do one hour of prep a day for the classes you have to prep for the classes. Prep time is included in your monthly salary.

If you have to do 6 classes a day then you have to prep those classes. If it only takes more than an hour for you to prep then that's what it takes. Also, all adminstrative duties required for my classes is included in my pay. I don't get anything extra.

I'm only paid by the class. If I work more than x classes in a month then I get overtime pay above my base salary. Prep time is not paid separately, so even though I'm on site, either in class or prepping for my class or marking assignments, I'm only paid for the time I'm in class.

If you don't like your situation then quit. You can always find a better contract that is not vaguely worded.

Cheers and goodluck.
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think her complaint is more about having to take work home in addition to doing the hour of prep work AND being at the school the required hours.

Can't say that I blame her for not liking it, and I'd be against it too -- the daily "take home at night" stuff for sure. Once and a while is just a job, but every night? Not for me. I wouldn't let the boss do that to me. Not in a hagwon situation.

I'm not a Korean lemming.
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ulsanchris



Joined: 19 Jun 2003
Location: take a wild guess

PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2004 2:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

here are a couple of ideas for you to suggest to your boss.
1. if you are getting enough new students suggest getting a new teacher. this will spread out the work and also allow for the boss to try and get more students.
2. schedule a half hour or hour break in the middle of the teaching schedule in order for everyone to do some paper work and have some dinner.
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2004 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I side with the 'just buckle down & do it' voices. Its natural to grumble but extra pay isnt on & when its done you can party. If more people on this forum understood that their job is the means to a pretty decent lifestyle & savings but also needs to come first in their considerations, there'd be a lot less whining.
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SweetBear



Joined: 18 May 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2004 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The taking home after school paperwork is taking advantage IMO. for a prof. at a Uni, yeah, for a hagwon, no. Unpaid lesson prep goes with the territory, all the extra paperwork? No. How much time are you actually spending doing this stuff?

As an aside, we have two new teachers, fresh off the boat, never taught before, they come in 20 mins. before their classes start and give the textbooks a cursory glance. Our director is in serious financial difficulty plus " they are so cute" to quote him. Rolling Eyes They don't seem to know that this is not okay.
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Mr. Pink



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China

PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2004 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gord wrote:
Mr. Pink wrote:
They are exploiting you.


?

"We'll pay you money to work for us. You have to be at the school seven hours a day, and you will have to teach up to six 50 minute classes a day. Plus you will have to ensure you have done prep work for the classes."

"ok"

Time goes by, only the average is five or four classes a day instead of six. Suddenly, six classes a day start appearing on the schedule.

"Hey! That's uncool! I want more money before I start doing what I agreed to do!"


Would you say doing an EIGHT HOUR report is part of "prep work" for the normal course of business?
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

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