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HughCl



Joined: 18 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow..Its great hearing a range of female opinions on the issue. and I think that this forum might permit some more honest ansers than if I asked in person face to fact..

MISS
what is a host bar or model club? Is that a bar with gigolos? Ive been here for years and never heard of it. In tokyo some years ago there was one but I thought it was fad and went under. In Korea they have those?
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aboxofchocolates



Joined: 21 Mar 2008
Location: on your mind

PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check out MollyBlooms (cannot use apostrophe!) thread -The Great Happiness Space- for host bars.

http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=147216

Why do you think people would voice different opinions on prostitution in person (cannot make a question mark!!). This was not what you were expecting to hear, I take it.
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HughCl



Joined: 18 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

abox

thanks for the link I am going to try to watch the video now. But that is Japan right? We dont have those in Korea do we?

Honestly I am not sure what I expected but I guess I expected the ladies to be more hmm how do I say this?, idealistic maybe?

watching now..
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HughCl



Joined: 18 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

abox

Thanks for the link

the first thing about that video is that all the males hosts seem artificially feminine. Even by Asian standards. All that hair curling perms and stuff. Interesting. They seem not to be attracted to athletic type guys.

But that video bummed me out I guess I wont be able to go to room salons anymore (well at least sober at least). Everyone is scamming everyone.. Sad..

ugh
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Rumple



Joined: 19 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:32 am    Post subject: Re: Question For the Ladies Reply with quote

Mr-Dokdo wrote:
Rumple wrote:
Mr-Dokdo wrote:

Why should women be in any better of a position to comment on whether or not prostitution is harmful to society?


The OP never said women were in a better position to comment. The OP just wanted to know their perspective.


Re-read the OP's comments again. Carefully. Then think. Then post.


"I am just wondering about this issue and as a guy maybe I am not able to see the full issue.. Ladies input would be appreciated..."

Is that what I was supposed to read? Because I don't see the words BETTER POSITION, asshole. He says as a guy maybe he is not able to see the full issue. Maybe women also can't see the full isse (OP didn't specify that they are or are not), but maybe their perspective will inform his own.

Think. Then post.
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harlowethrombey



Joined: 17 Mar 2009
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 5:48 am    Post subject: Re: Question For the Ladies Reply with quote

Mr-Dokdo wrote:
HughCl wrote:
Q. for the Ladies here:

Do you think prostitution is harmful to society?

I am not talking here about "forced" prostitution. Does there exist something where a woman may rationally take into account her resources, the risk of potential prosecution diseases etc. and then say "Yes I will do that"?

Do you consider "room salons" to be prostitution?

I am just wondering about this issue and as a guy maybe I am not able to see the full issue.. Ladies input would be appreciated here in the land of Morning Frenzy


Why should women be in any better of a position to comment on whether or not prostitution is harmful to society?



I know! It's good that things like prostituion and abortion are decided by men.
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traveler007



Joined: 18 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is just my opinion as a MAN and observance while travelling. Every country I have visited had forms of prostitution, mostly legally condoned by the governments and all a part of the society. I view it as a socio-economic issue, and not a criminal issue, unless there is coercion. I think a lot of the European countries have a good handle on the issue.
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HughCl



Joined: 18 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Traveller,

Yes I have experienced the same from Africa to Europe/Asia.

I am not even considering the criminal issue. If I am in one of those European countries that uses Eastern European/Russian women as "hosts" and takes away their passport- That is a no go.

But as a socio-economic factor does prost. (harsh word) enable the poor women to gain money and a living or simply reinforce their inability to rise in society?
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aboxofchocolates



Joined: 21 Mar 2008
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HughCl wrote:


But as a socio-economic factor does prost. (harsh word) enable the poor women to gain money and a living or simply reinforce their inability to rise in society?


People rarely rise in socio-economic status regardless of what they do. Rather than focus on individual cases of prostitution, ask yourself if the bigger social factors that opened that option should be changed.

You think women would be more idealistic than men? Seriously? What lead you to think that?
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Draz



Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam

PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 6:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Question For the Ladies Reply with quote

HughCl wrote:

I am not talking here about "forced" prostitution. Does there exist something where a woman may rationally take into account her resources, the risk of potential prosecution diseases etc. and then say "Yes I will do that"?


Rationally, no woman is going to chose it. I mean, if we're taking things like prosecution into account, a woman might as well decide to be a petty thief. Easier, safer, probably more fun. You can make more money. And it is way more respectable than prostitution. Women just "fall in" to being hookers, it's not a choice.
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Faunaki



Joined: 15 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

michaelambling wrote:
I feel sympathy for the female expats who live here--I think life must be very, very difficult for them. Am I wrong?


Yeah your wrong. My life is grand just I'm a bit bored and all of my friends have left so again more boredom. I don't have problems with ajosshis because I don't give off the newbie starry eyed look and because I don't go out to the watering holes.

To the OP - if your daughter wanted to be a prostitute or work in a room salon would it be ok? If the answer is no, then why is it ok for other women to do it? Would you want your son to be porking prosties all the time? Would you be proud of him?
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MollyBloom



Joined: 21 Jul 2006
Location: James Joyce's pants

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

michaelambling wrote:
I have another question for the ladies here:

Why did you come to Korea? There are plenty of places you could go to teach English and earn some money that aren't full of sexist, abusive, perverted drunk men who constantly ask how much it costs to have sex with you and where the police will take a harrassment/stalking/rape complaint seriously, so why come to Korea? Granted, this is pretty much a man's paradise, but I feel sympathy for the female expats who live here--I think life must be very, very difficult for them. Am I wrong?


No, life isn't hard. I, personally, don't get harassed. Sometimes I get asked by ajosshis if I am married.
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fadedgirl



Joined: 26 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you have to pay, then you aren't doing your job as a MAN.
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HughCl



Joined: 18 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Faded,

"not doing my job as a man" Well what if sometime I want to do my job as a man but there is no one that wants to "do their job as a woman" around Smile Solo sex is not really a substitute

Faunaki,

As I asked for honest feedback I will give honest answers: If my son wanted to go to a prostitute if he was over say 17-18 I would permit him depending on the type of activity he wanted to engage in. No body fluids to be exchanged. Would I be proud of my son for "poking prostis"? Depend on the frequnecy I guess. If it was preventing him from earning a living or affecting him otherwise then No. I would like to think that I would be proud of him for being honest, helpful to others and society.

If my daughter wanted to be a prostitute and work in a room salon I would discourage it. But then again I have money and can earn a living. I can not imagine the situation if I was unable to support a family. I could imagine a situation where my daughter working in a room salon might be more honorable than being a thief though.

DRAZ,

Can you make that much money stealing? Even in rural areas were there is not much to steal? Hmm I will thin about that one--

Boxchocaltes,

Yes Please I am trying to think of the bigger picture here which is why I am asking the women for help. Even though it is open and considered normal here in Korea to go to room salons I want to know if that is because of the lack of opportunities in other business area for women that this may feel normal here.

I think women in Western society are conditioned more to be idealistic as a result of the "love" industry. Meaning bridal magazines 2 inches thick, the chivalry romance notion of "love" as opposed to the arranged marriage of other countries. Really I think that the Tom Cruise "You complete me" kind of love is a dangerous narcotic sold to westerners expecially females. I believe in marriage or long term pairing but the concept of find your "other half" or "there is one person out there that is for me" I find disingenous.
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Gimpokid



Joined: 09 Nov 2008
Location: Best Gimpo

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fadedgirl wrote:
if you have to pay, then you aren't doing your job as a MAN.


Wow you sound like my kinda girl. You wanna a man who doesn't pay for it ever? Sign me up. On top of not wanting to compensate you in anyway for sex I am also not partial to work so I wouldn't be able to do so even if I wanted to.

The ironic thing that I have very sophisticated tastes and like sip Courvossier in designer clothes in front of the TV all day. When can we meet?
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